03-03-2016, 05:51 PM
Thank you for the invitation to explain why i (currently) think the text is ciphered.
Because i see many people are doing the same things over and over, i will share some of my intensive research.
Read it or not, do with it what you want, but perhaps it helps someone to aim in the right direction.
It is NOT a mixed language as presented 1-to-1 or substituted, otherwise i would have noticed that 100%.
What this means is, it is not like this f.e. "Ich spreche deux another language"
Also it is NOT that mixed language and then ciphered with a substitution algo or such: it does not matter to my analysis routine if it is.
The definition of abbrev. that i examined is in the format: abbrev.
So, the words always have a beginning, sometimes a middle and mostly an abnormal end.
This is NOT the case in the VMS: most important observation: most words do NOT have a beginning.
For example: words are not like abbrev. but like bbrev.
Does anyone have a solution or clue how to abbreviate a word, without it's beginning. Let me know!
The only possible solution for that could be, but perhaps too complex for that century,
is that the last 1 or 2 letters not also define the abbreviation at the end, but also the first letter.
Because that is too farfetched for me at this point, i did not examine that.
I extensively viewed every other textual angle i can think of.
Another possibility which is still open for me is anagrams. But i will not go into that: anything is then possible
and makes the document unreadable and uncipherable to anyone.
Well I believe there is a fellow on this site who claims he can construct such lines with software.
Yes, currently i am looking into the possibility of a simple coded message with many nulls and few letters,
once i even counted spacing between words and letters but could not make something of that.
Now i am looking not in lines, but in columns and possibly random structured words,
but i don't know yet how i could construct words.
Because the words, and letters in those words, on 1 page do not match with the occurrences and placement
with similar pages of about 1 million words i investigated in about 35 (European and some abroad) languages i could not find a reasonable match.
I also tried shifting, replacing, ligature-replacements for the most obvious variants.
But yet, the words, letters, spacing, follow certain paths that are language-like. How can that be, if it is not a (known) language?
Because these letter-rules are much too complex in my opinion for that century it is more obvious to me that we are overlooking an simple but ingenious cipher.
Eh, there any many people in history that have been burned because of witchcraft for example.
It was suggested that Fontana used the cipher as a form of copyright mechanism.
Since the bookprinting was not invented during those days, books were copied freely by hand.
There is no certainty on that argument but it is generally accepted.
Because i see many people are doing the same things over and over, i will share some of my intensive research.
Read it or not, do with it what you want, but perhaps it helps someone to aim in the right direction.
Quote:JKP:
I think there's a strong possibility it's polyglot.
It is NOT a mixed language as presented 1-to-1 or substituted, otherwise i would have noticed that 100%.
What this means is, it is not like this f.e. "Ich spreche deux another language"
Also it is NOT that mixed language and then ciphered with a substitution algo or such: it does not matter to my analysis routine if it is.
Quote:JKP:
I think it might be heavily abbreviated as was common at the time.
The definition of abbrev. that i examined is in the format: abbrev.
So, the words always have a beginning, sometimes a middle and mostly an abnormal end.
This is NOT the case in the VMS: most important observation: most words do NOT have a beginning.
For example: words are not like abbrev. but like bbrev.
Does anyone have a solution or clue how to abbreviate a word, without it's beginning. Let me know!
The only possible solution for that could be, but perhaps too complex for that century,
is that the last 1 or 2 letters not also define the abbreviation at the end, but also the first letter.
Because that is too farfetched for me at this point, i did not examine that.
I extensively viewed every other textual angle i can think of.
Another possibility which is still open for me is anagrams. But i will not go into that: anything is then possible
and makes the document unreadable and uncipherable to anyone.
Quote:Sam G:
As of 2016, nobody has ever developed a cipher capable of replicating even a fraction of the VMS text's properties..
Well I believe there is a fellow on this site who claims he can construct such lines with software.
Quote:Sam G:
One of the most remarkable aspects of the VMS script is that it is designed to highlight and emphasize the structure of the text. This is completely contrary to the purpose of cryptography, which is to conceal any structure in the ciphertext in order to make it more difficult to crack. However, creating such a script is perfectly logical to do if you are designing one for a natural language.
Yes, currently i am looking into the possibility of a simple coded message with many nulls and few letters,
once i even counted spacing between words and letters but could not make something of that.
Now i am looking not in lines, but in columns and possibly random structured words,
but i don't know yet how i could construct words.
Quote:-Job-:
Is there a language or cipher that matches all of Voynichese's features? I think that should be the focus of this discussion.
Because the words, and letters in those words, on 1 page do not match with the occurrences and placement
with similar pages of about 1 million words i investigated in about 35 (European and some abroad) languages i could not find a reasonable match.
I also tried shifting, replacing, ligature-replacements for the most obvious variants.
But yet, the words, letters, spacing, follow certain paths that are language-like. How can that be, if it is not a (known) language?
Because these letter-rules are much too complex in my opinion for that century it is more obvious to me that we are overlooking an simple but ingenious cipher.
Quote:Sam G:
Some people say it was encrypted to protect its creator from the church. Apparently this is the church that hates information about herbs, but has no problem with naked women swimming in pools of green fluid.
Eh, there any many people in history that have been burned because of witchcraft for example.
Quote:MarcoP:
The other cases (medical and engineering manuscripts by Foxton, Fontana etc) were apparently meant to protect professional secrets. For instance, what makes you think that Fontana's goal was protecting himself from the church?
It was suggested that Fontana used the cipher as a form of copyright mechanism.
Since the bookprinting was not invented during those days, books were copied freely by hand.
There is no certainty on that argument but it is generally accepted.