12-01-2018, 03:46 PM
ReneZ,
you are right, bananas were known in Europe, and one does find entries for Musa (or Mussa) in European manuscripts.
However, the medieval depictions of Musa look very different from what we see in 13r.
![[Image: f218.highres]](http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b6000517p/f218.highres)
![[Image: c13578-68.jpg]](http://www.bl.uk/IllImages/BLCD/mid/c135/c13578-68.jpg)
(Above, your examples from the BNF and BL manuscripts; below, Tacuinum Sanitatis, BNF Ms. Latin 9333)
![[Image: ab7e050825d0d8e969de1e24b18149fc--mediev...entury.jpg]](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ab/7e/05/ab7e050825d0d8e969de1e24b18149fc--medieval-life-th-century.jpg)
This brings me back to one of the recurring issues I have about many Voynich illustrations.
Depending on whether we are seeking similarities with what things actually look like (bananas, sheep/goats, etc...) or with the way they were depicted in the middle ages, we can reach rather different conclusions.
In the case of 13r, the illustration does look like an actual banana, but it does not resemble the way bananas were drawn in the 15th century.
I am struggling to find a medieval Arabic depiction of a banana plant. These might be more realistic. Any ideas?
you are right, bananas were known in Europe, and one does find entries for Musa (or Mussa) in European manuscripts.
However, the medieval depictions of Musa look very different from what we see in 13r.
![[Image: c13578-68.jpg]](http://www.bl.uk/IllImages/BLCD/mid/c135/c13578-68.jpg)
(Above, your examples from the BNF and BL manuscripts; below, Tacuinum Sanitatis, BNF Ms. Latin 9333)
![[Image: ab7e050825d0d8e969de1e24b18149fc--mediev...entury.jpg]](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ab/7e/05/ab7e050825d0d8e969de1e24b18149fc--medieval-life-th-century.jpg)
This brings me back to one of the recurring issues I have about many Voynich illustrations.
Depending on whether we are seeking similarities with what things actually look like (bananas, sheep/goats, etc...) or with the way they were depicted in the middle ages, we can reach rather different conclusions.
In the case of 13r, the illustration does look like an actual banana, but it does not resemble the way bananas were drawn in the 15th century.
I am struggling to find a medieval Arabic depiction of a banana plant. These might be more realistic. Any ideas?


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