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The missing folios 59-64
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(26-02-2016, 09:36 AM)ReneZ wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thanks Helmut. I have the printed transcription of the entry, not the original handwriting. Assuming that it is accurate, I am not sure how to parse the sentence:

Ein philosophisch alt geschriben buch mit figurn und ein copey uff pergamen geschriben vom Mathes Dörrer, ungebunden, welchs nit gantz beysamen und herr Haiden auß bevelch I. Mt: etliche bletter davon genommen.

I have three main uncertainties:

1. Does copey really mean 'copy' in the modern sense of the word? The catalogue clearly indicates one entry, so there should not be two books (original and copy).
2. Is it: (Ein philo..... figurn) und (ein copey.... geschriben) or:
   Ein .... buch mit (figurn und ein copey) uff pergamen ....
3. Does 'vom' specifically refer back to geschriben? This is how I would read it, but it implies that the author is known: Mathes Dörrer. It could also be that he made 'the copy'.

Mr. Haiden is well known, but I found nothing about Mathes Dörrer. It could also be Dürer, Derrer or possibly other versions....

1) copey means copy in the sense of German Abschrift, cp. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. s.v. Herkunft.  You find original and copy under one entry even in modern archive repertories

2) I would say it is '(Ein philo..... figurn) und (ein copey.... geschriben)', at least  I would read it in this way.
Sentence converted with [] my additions
Ein philosophisch buch, alt geschriben, mit figurn,  ungebunden, welchs nit gantz beysamen und herr Haiden [hat] auß bevelch I. Mt: etliche bletter davon genommen und  [as addition] ein copey uff pergamen geschriben vom Mathes Dörrer

3) I think so too, vom  refers back to geschriben. I think that MD is the scribe of the copy, not the author of the original ms., , the name of the author should come after 'Ein philosophisch buch',  most likely he  named himself in the colophon of the copy or there was a librarians note.

 I don't think the copy was contemporary to the Rudolphine inventory, but older, I really can't see a copy on parchment much after 1500. That means of course one would have to look for MD somewhere else but in the Rudolphine circle, for example in the Hapsburg chanceries or university registers of the late 15th/early 16th c.
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The missing folios 59-64 - by ReneZ - 24-02-2016, 08:14 PM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by david - 24-02-2016, 10:02 PM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by ReneZ - 24-02-2016, 10:29 PM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by -JKP- - 25-02-2016, 12:02 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by -JKP- - 25-02-2016, 08:54 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by Oocephalus - 25-02-2016, 02:44 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by Wladimir D - 25-02-2016, 06:36 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by ReneZ - 25-02-2016, 08:55 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by -JKP- - 25-02-2016, 09:59 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by ReneZ - 25-02-2016, 10:27 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by -JKP- - 25-02-2016, 12:38 PM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by Davidsch - 25-02-2016, 02:13 PM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by Sam G - 26-02-2016, 07:34 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by Helmut Winkler - 26-02-2016, 08:47 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by ReneZ - 26-02-2016, 09:36 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by -JKP- - 26-02-2016, 03:39 PM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by juergenw - 26-02-2016, 08:18 PM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by Helmut Winkler - 27-02-2016, 11:55 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by Helmut Winkler - 01-03-2016, 11:23 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by Anton - 19-03-2016, 11:28 PM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by -JKP- - 20-03-2016, 04:10 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by ReneZ - 20-03-2016, 12:39 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by Koen G - 20-03-2016, 11:17 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by Anton - 20-03-2016, 02:00 PM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by Diane - 20-03-2016, 07:59 PM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by Anton - 20-03-2016, 08:58 PM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by ReneZ - 21-03-2016, 07:04 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by Diane - 02-04-2016, 11:49 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by -JKP- - 04-04-2016, 12:00 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by ReneZ - 04-04-2016, 05:52 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by Wladimir D - 10-05-2016, 07:44 PM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by ReneZ - 10-05-2016, 08:52 PM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by Davidsch - 29-06-2016, 03:13 PM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by -JKP- - 29-06-2016, 04:00 PM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by Diane - 06-08-2016, 07:37 PM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by ReneZ - 09-08-2016, 08:16 PM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by nickpelling - 19-08-2019, 09:26 AM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by davidjackson - 19-08-2019, 10:25 PM
RE: The missing folios 59-64 - by nickpelling - 20-08-2019, 03:36 PM

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