Identifying function words
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Quote:It would be interesting to make some experiments along those lines, but how do we define "homogeneity"?

I mean homogeneity in terms of context, not in terms of script. If within a given visual context we observe seemingly equal rank objects, then chances are that they are in a certain way homogenous, and respective labels can then be pursued. Candidate №1 are Voynich stars (68r1 and r2) - not only they are equal rank (apart from the alleged "brightness", but one can even break that down by "brightness" if he so wishes), but not a single label repeats within.

The Voynich pipes (69v) are worse in this respect, because a couple of labels do repeat in the diagram.

Some other offhand suggestions would be Voynich moons of f67r2 (although if I remember correctly, many of those labels are unfortunately unique) or pipe sections in the top of f77r. Nymph nabels in the Zodiac sections can also be considered.

When I wrote about Voynich stars back in 2015, I compiled an Excel sheet (can be found in that blog post) listing all star occurrences in the botanical section, with their line coordinates provided. Unfortunately, only exact matches were considered, and only botanical section was reviewed for coordinates. Anyway, that listing allows me to provide these quick results. Here are all cases where two or more different Voynich stars (exact match) occur in the botanical section in the same line or at least in adjacent lines. (There are cases when one and the same Voynich star repeats, these are excluded from consideration).

7v: odaiin and okchor - lines 7 and 8
8r: dchol and chodar - lines 3 and 4
28r: otol and otor - lines 4 and 5
34r: ykchdy and chodar - line 9
40r: otor and okoldy - lines 3 and 4
50v: otor and odaiin - lines 7 and 8
51r: odaiin and otydy - line 8
51v: ytchody and dchol - line 3
53r: otol and ykchdy - lines 5 and 6
55r: ockhy and otol - line 13
90v1: otol and chodar - line 1

The majority of these occurrences are, however, separated by two or more vords from each other.

One exception is 51v, but here the two stars are directly adjacent, which is of course nice and suggests some sort of listing, but that's the major problem - a listing can deal without "and"!

Another exception is 55r, where the two stars are separated by one vord, and that vord is daiin. I think that daiin is unlikely to stand for "and", simply because it occurs as the last vord of a folio, and also there are cases where daiin is repeated sequentially.

If other sections are reviewed in the same way, perhaps something more will reveal itself. And of course, partial matches can be looked at.
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Identifying function words - by davidjackson - 19-09-2017, 03:22 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by -JKP- - 19-09-2017, 09:34 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by Anton - 20-09-2017, 02:48 AM
RE: Identifying function words - by Koen G - 20-09-2017, 08:23 AM
RE: Identifying function words - by davidjackson - 20-09-2017, 09:43 AM
RE: Identifying function words - by Torsten - 21-09-2017, 10:26 AM
RE: Identifying function words - by davidjackson - 20-09-2017, 09:49 AM
RE: Identifying function words - by MarcoP - 20-09-2017, 11:51 AM
RE: Identifying function words - by davidjackson - 20-09-2017, 01:21 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by MarcoP - 20-09-2017, 02:51 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by Anton - 20-09-2017, 02:38 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by MarcoP - 20-09-2017, 05:10 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by -JKP- - 20-09-2017, 05:41 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by Stephen.Bax - 20-09-2017, 06:07 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by -JKP- - 20-09-2017, 06:27 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by davidjackson - 20-09-2017, 04:22 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by MarcoP - 20-09-2017, 04:27 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by farmerjohn - 20-09-2017, 06:58 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by -JKP- - 20-09-2017, 08:11 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by farmerjohn - 20-09-2017, 09:10 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by Anton - 21-09-2017, 01:44 AM
RE: Identifying function words - by -JKP- - 21-09-2017, 03:25 AM
RE: Identifying function words - by MarcoP - 21-09-2017, 09:47 AM
RE: Identifying function words - by Koen G - 21-09-2017, 03:37 AM
RE: Identifying function words - by Koen G - 21-09-2017, 08:46 AM
RE: Identifying function words - by Anton - 21-09-2017, 02:32 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by undekagon - 21-09-2017, 03:03 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by MarcoP - 21-09-2017, 05:41 PM
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RE: Identifying function words - by undekagon - 21-09-2017, 03:27 PM
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RE: Identifying function words - by Stephen.Bax - 21-09-2017, 06:46 PM
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RE: Identifying function words - by Anton - 21-09-2017, 07:14 PM
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RE: Identifying function words - by davidjackson - 21-09-2017, 09:05 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by Stephen.Bax - 22-09-2017, 01:17 AM
RE: Identifying function words - by Torsten - 22-09-2017, 09:46 AM
RE: Identifying function words - by Anton - 22-09-2017, 02:06 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by Anton - 30-03-2018, 01:12 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by Koen G - 30-03-2018, 01:49 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by Anton - 30-03-2018, 05:05 PM
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RE: Identifying function words - by MarcoP - 30-03-2018, 05:30 PM
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RE: Identifying function words - by -JKP- - 30-03-2018, 06:05 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by Anton - 30-03-2018, 05:30 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by Anton - 30-03-2018, 05:40 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by -JKP- - 30-03-2018, 05:59 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by Koen G - 30-03-2018, 06:01 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by Anton - 30-03-2018, 06:40 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by davidjackson - 30-03-2018, 10:40 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by Anton - 30-03-2018, 11:29 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by Koen G - 31-03-2018, 11:39 AM
RE: Identifying function words - by -JKP- - 31-03-2018, 01:54 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by Anton - 31-03-2018, 04:53 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by davidjackson - 31-03-2018, 07:40 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by Koen G - 31-03-2018, 07:57 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by davidjackson - 31-03-2018, 08:59 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by MarcoP - 19-01-2020, 07:30 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by Anton - 19-01-2020, 08:11 PM
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RE: Identifying function words - by MarcoP - 19-01-2020, 09:37 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by nablator - 19-01-2020, 11:05 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by MarcoP - 20-01-2020, 11:26 AM
RE: Identifying function words - by MarcoP - 16-02-2021, 04:16 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by Koen G - 16-02-2021, 05:48 PM
RE: Identifying function words - by MarcoP - 17-02-2021, 09:01 AM
RE: Identifying function words - by mscheo - 05-03-2021, 09:00 AM
RE: Identifying function words - by MarcoP - 05-03-2021, 11:52 AM
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