(02-02-2016, 07:16 AM)Rene wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Much longer ago, I thought that You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. could be "Nymphoides peltata", another similar plant, but this one has a flower very similar to the one on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (though invariably yellow):
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I believe that that one is native to N. America but could not find out definitely. I no longer think that is a certain identification, simply because the drawings should not necessarily be expected to be exact copies of the herb.
Yes!! Native to N. America. It's not N. indica, even though it's somewhat frilled. Indica doesn't have this pistil. Even the minority of N. indica that have longer pistils, do not have hirsute pistils, so it doesn't appear to be an eastern version. I tried to track down a match for a couple of years, actually, trying to reconcile the flower with the rest of the plant, which is actually well drawn (even the veins in the leaves).
The one that is a possible match is indeed North American, from the north Gulf area, but it is not a common plant, and probably wasn't then either. It matches on all counts, but the odds of someone from the 14th or even 15th or 16th century coming across it is very remote and it doesn't appear to grow near the Spanish colonies in the Aztec region, as far as I've been able to determine and... other plants in the small area where it grows do not match with other plants in the VMS.
It's interesting to hear you followed a similar trail. I don't think we have a definite ID on 2v yet but, assuming it's early 15th century, the illustrator deserves credit for being one of the first to represent the morphology of the rhizome so well.