02-02-2016, 07:16 AM
Assuming that towards the end "f2v" is meant...
Several unrelated thoughts to this.
Elsewhere you mention that this illustration shows more detail than usually found in (early) 15th C manuscripts. In 2012 I made an illustration putting it next to the Nenufar / Nymphaea in several MSs of the Tractatus de Herbis, showing exactly this point.
In general, many details of the herbs are quite elaborate. There is basically no sign of symmetry or "2D" representation of herbs. This would be much better visible if the painting was not there. Very often, one has leaves in front of others, or in front of stems, folding around etc. Some celebrated ("expensive") herbal MSs of the time have far inferior drawings. (E.g. Casanatense 459 made for emperor Wenceslaus).
Much longer ago, I thought that You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. could be "Nymphoides peltata", another similar plant, but this one has a flower very similar to the one on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (though invariably yellow):
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I believe that that one is native to N. America but could not find out definitely. I no longer think that is a certain identification, simply because the drawings should not necessarily be expected to be exact copies of the herb.
I find the idea that some drawings have "generic" flowers or leaves quite plausible, especially for some other cases. Here, the flower looks more like a (real) lily, which allows one to speculate as follows: it could simply be an association of the illustrator based on his native language. In English it is water lily and in German Wasserlilie.
Several unrelated thoughts to this.
Elsewhere you mention that this illustration shows more detail than usually found in (early) 15th C manuscripts. In 2012 I made an illustration putting it next to the Nenufar / Nymphaea in several MSs of the Tractatus de Herbis, showing exactly this point.
In general, many details of the herbs are quite elaborate. There is basically no sign of symmetry or "2D" representation of herbs. This would be much better visible if the painting was not there. Very often, one has leaves in front of others, or in front of stems, folding around etc. Some celebrated ("expensive") herbal MSs of the time have far inferior drawings. (E.g. Casanatense 459 made for emperor Wenceslaus).
Much longer ago, I thought that You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. could be "Nymphoides peltata", another similar plant, but this one has a flower very similar to the one on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (though invariably yellow):
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
I believe that that one is native to N. America but could not find out definitely. I no longer think that is a certain identification, simply because the drawings should not necessarily be expected to be exact copies of the herb.
I find the idea that some drawings have "generic" flowers or leaves quite plausible, especially for some other cases. Here, the flower looks more like a (real) lily, which allows one to speculate as follows: it could simply be an association of the illustrator based on his native language. In English it is water lily and in German Wasserlilie.