New reading hypothesis on f85v (Rosettes): “Paris Kar

[ololololo]

“Paris Saint Germain

At the top, I see the word “saint”, but at the bottom, it’s more likely not Germain, but “Germaiin” or “Germaiin.” I don’t know what conclusions can be drawn.
But I can also assume that it is indeed Germain. This works in conjunction with my assumption that Voynichese was originally intended to parody Latin in appearance and thereby mislead.

[Quentin Da Silva]

Yes, I strongly agree with the hypothesis, and I constantly question myself about my inability to stick to a single version.

I’m waiting to hear back from RadioFM. If he did it for 86v, perhaps 116v is the same thing.

It may even be that the naked women are only allegories, stars, or what do I know!

I’ve been at this for years, and I feel like I’m getting nowhere. It’s horrible: so many hypotheses, but no certainty.

Mathematics can’t help us. Carbon dating is the best thing we have…

My help is useless. All my hypotheses have already been put forward and revisited.

The only thing that seems true to me is that, once Tepenec’s name has been confirmed, I think it’s likely the book passed from hand to hand within a circle of Bohemian alchemists... But even that is impossible to know. 

It’s pure speculation based on twenty-first-century logic.

No mistakes were made deliberately in this book...

What comes to mind out of desperation is:

1. The pages that underwent repairs (stitches): find the origin of those stitches and whether they follow a specific method of repair.
   
2. The vellum itself: find the meadows where the calves were slaughtered.
   
3. The book’s DNA: find it, search it, examine it, and so on (116v may have bloodstains) → perhaps a doctor wrote down someone’s last words, with the “O Maria.”
   
4. The stars: sometimes they have 7, 8, or 9 points. Find their exact meanings without speculation.
   
   

Anyway, I’m sure all of this has been examined over and over! I really don’t know what to think. I think 95% of the conversations here are useless (mine included), and that the only way forward is to bring in researchers, linguists, and so on.

It hurts me to say this, but year after year, the Voynich is being distorted more than anything else, and it would be good to return to sound foundations.

Sorry for this almost useless wall of text.

[DG97EEB]

I was fortunate enough to send this for multispectral analysis during my trip to the Beinecke Library. Indeed the results were most peculiar...

Sorry, what do you mean exactly? You were given access to the manuscript and ran multi spectral analysis? I'm a bit confused where this image comes from which is not part of Lisa's 2014 set.

[rikforto]

This works in conjunction with my assumption that Voynichese was originally intended to parody Latin in appearance and thereby mislead.

I think this is a perfectly colorable supposition and don't want this to become a battle of wills of who is right! But my instinct, showing my own biases, is that it might well be a hint into iin as a productive suffix. Especially if that was a pen test, something I do is stick Korean morphemes on English words to get a sense of both uses of a pen; "Wonder하고" is a nice one for seeing a variety of forms. There is a bit of a clue about "하고" as a suffix there, albeit not much of one. Naturally though, this is all very speculative

(And, of course, treating the Tiltman suffixes as dedicated suffixes unavailable for use in the start of words runs into well-known problems, and though I have some half-baked thoughts about solving them, not yet for sharing and not for this thread.)

[ololololo]

But my instinct, showing my own biases, is that it might well be a hint into iin as a productive suffix

I meant that the author’s intention was to lead us astray. Therefore, he could have used the symbols a, in/iin, y, and r, assuming that we would confuse them with Latin.

But your assumption is interesting too

[ololololo]

The pages that underwent repairs (stitches): find the origin of those stitches and whether they follow a specific method of repair.

From the stages of "the restoration", we know the following:
1). Someone sewed the bifolios into one book.
2). Someone resewn the pages (this was mentioned in Wladimir Dulov’s blog).
3). Someone changed the cover to a leather one.

I think it’s likely the book passed from hand to hand within a circle of Bohemian alchemists... But even that is impossible to know.

It can’t be proven, but you can figure it out. She somehow ended up with the alchemist Baresh, right?

But I can also say that the book passed from hand to hand and to other people. It may have made a detour from Northern Italy to Bohemia via France.

The stars: sometimes they have 7, 8, or 9 points

If you mean the astrological section, then... Well, it’s hard to do. But you can read You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..

[Quentin Da Silva]

Thank you for those details. 

What I’m putting forward is, of course, only speculation.

However, one piece of information would greatly help me test my hypothesis: is there anything known about Johann de Laaz, the alchemist?

With that, I wish you all the best, and thank you again.

[RadioFM]

I shouldve posted the PSG edit in Voynich Humor  

Seriously though: No it isn't an actual multispectral analysis. AFAIK the faded letters is all we got on that particular corner, plus an old transcription attempt from last century.

I read it as bAIeo  ba$  -- possibly a mangled form of raceo sar, or raÈeiÏ sa¬ or what-have-you. Couldn't tell.

[DG97EEB]

I got briefly caught out by one of the other forum members the other day who posted an AI mock-up and I didn't read it properly..  it's amusing, but it's also rather distracting and generates unnecessary noise around the topic. Poor QdS will be devastated

[Quentin Da Silva]

I'm not devastated. If anything, this just proves how ignorant I am ^^ 

and that we should leave to Caesar what belongs to Caesar in other words, leave it in the hands of people who are competent in the field.

It was brief, but intense ^^