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Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - JustAnotherTheory - 17-07-2026
I wonder whether the "porta8" word on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is actually a Latin abbreviated word:
The reason is that I found several examples of 14-15th century Latin manuscripts, with this exact word (ending in "8"):
Could someone who speaks good Latin translate what "porta8" could be in these cases? I suspect the "8" is an abbreviation.
If it is so common, in 14-15th century texts, could this mean that the VMS You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is also (partly) Latin?
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RE: Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - nablator - 17-07-2026
1, 5, 6: "dum" (portandum). This abbreviation (d') also used for "de" was already obsolete in the 15th century.
The others are normal final "s" written more or less as a Greek sigma, but very often looks more like B or 8.
RE: Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - ololololo - 17-07-2026
Maybe... Of course, this eight is different from the eight in the word oladabad, but I don't think they are different in any significant way.
RE: Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - JustAnotherTheory - 17-07-2026
(17-07-2026, 09:54 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.1, 5, 6: "dum" (portandum).
Thanks. In that case, maybe the word in the VMS is "portandum"?
RE: Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - oshfdk - 17-07-2026
(17-07-2026, 10:24 AM)JustAnotherTheory Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thanks. In that case, maybe the word in the VMS is "portandum"?
But there is no n? No macron over a.
RE: Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - MarcoP - 17-07-2026
(17-07-2026, 09:54 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.1, 5, 6: "dum" (portandum). This abbreviation (d') also used for "de" was already obsolete in the 15th century.
The others are normal final "s" written more or less as a Greek sigma, but very often looks more like B or 8.
I agree.
#2 appears to be comportans, split on two lines.
RE: Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - JustAnotherTheory - 17-07-2026
Would "oladabandum" make any sense at all?
RE: Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - nablator - 17-07-2026
(17-07-2026, 10:27 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.#2 appears to be comportans, split on two lines.
Isn't that an "i" without a dot? So "compositas" seems much more likely to me: "r" is different and unambiguous. Accusative plural seems correct: "intendo ponere medicinas inusitatas compositas ad egritudinem". There is also "compositarum" on the 2nd line.
RE: Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - nablator - 17-07-2026
(17-07-2026, 12:19 PM)JustAnotherTheory Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Would "oladabandum" make any sense at all?
No Latin word starts with "olad".
RE: Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - MarcoP - 17-07-2026
(17-07-2026, 12:48 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Isn't that an "i" without a dot? So "compositas" seems much more likely to me: "r" is different and unambiguous. Accusative plural seems correct: "intendo ponere medicinas inusitatas compositas ad egritudinem". There is also "compositarum" on the 2nd line.
Thank you. I stand corrected!