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Picnic Table glyph; Eva-x - RobGea - 03-03-2026
Its a pretty interesting glyph, thought it should have its own thread.
picnic table glyph aka EVA-x
Pages with most appearances of Eva-x
9 appearances in f Ros
7 appearances in f 57v
5 appearances in f 66r
3 appearances in f 46r
Section by Illustration Type: T_ext, H_erbal, C_osmological, S_tars, fRos_ette
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T fRos
x3 x4
In Labels <f66r> <fRos>
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C fRos
x7 x5
In Circular text <f57v> <fRos>
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H H T H S S S S S S S S S S S { 03 sections }
x3 x2 x2 x1 x1 x1 x2 x1 x1 x1 x1 x2 x1 x1 x2 { 22 count }
In Paragraphs f46r, f55r, f66r, f94r, f104r, f105r, f105v, f106v, f107v, f108r, f108v, f111r, f113v, f114v, f115v { 15 folios }
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Total appearances:
Folios, Section, Count
03, Herbal, 06
01, Text, 05
11, Stars, 14 = 17 folios, 41 picnic_tables
01, Cosmo, 07
01, Rosette, 09
C T H H H S fRos
<f57v> <f66r> <f46r> <f55r> <f94r>, 11x folios, 1x Rosettes
In 2 appearances the picnic_table looks like its left foot has a c-shape (or it is joined to Eva-e )
f66r Line 65 {left_foot_c}
f46 r Line 01 {left_foot_c}
See also:
Origin of the 'Picnic Table' Glyph
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N.B. Counts using ZL3b-n.
Some counts maybe wrong.
fRos is a Cosmo page by illustration type but it is separate here.
RE: Picnic Table glyph; Eva-x - RobGea - 03-03-2026
If we assume the text is meaningful and these 3 Herbal pages have an appearance of Eva-x in common, then do these pages have anything else in common ?
f046r, f055r, f094r
Images from voynich.nu
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<f46r.1,@P0> <%>pcheocphy.qotedy.chety.dy.chepchX.yfcheky.o[s:r]aiin.shee.qoteol.daiin.shee.dy.daly
<f46r.2,+P0> sodaiin.sheeoly.qoor.sheo,teoly.chckhy.daiin.sh[{ck}:ek].sheet.shedy.Xo[r: s].aiin.sheckhy
<f46r.7,+P0> Xol.shol.qokaiin.ytchdy.qokchdy.s,ar.chdy.cthy.otedy.chedy.qokar.chcthy.m
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<f55r.8,+P0> dchykey.char.chek.Xar.odas.Xaloeees.cpheody.qokeeody {2 on a line}
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<f94r.7,+P0> pchedar.oraiin.cheor.kas.or.als<->o,Xo{ckhh}y.olkain.am
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N.B. Eva-x capitalized in bold to make it easier to see
RE: Picnic Table glyph; Eva-x - eggyk - 03-03-2026
I've probably missed one on the rosettes page, but for the life of me I couldn't find the 9th one.
f46r:
f55r:
f57v:
f66r:
f104r-f108v:
f111r-f115v:
Rosettes:
Some important notes:
The x symbol displays variance within individual pages. The curve of the lines, whether or not there is a vertical stem, whether there is a sharp curve on the left leg etc.
Most of the symbols do not have a clear vertical stem (different in direction to the bottom two strokes). Some have a middle stem that seems to be an extension of one of the two bottom strokes. Some have blotched ink where the stem would be, so its not entirely clear whether or not it has one.
To do any analysis of its use, we probably need to work out if we're dealing with 1 symbol or multiple.
RE: Picnic Table glyph; Eva-x - RobGea - 03-03-2026
Nice job collating the individual glyphs like that.
Here is how i got the rosettes count. (see attachment)
fros.txt (Size: 2.03 KB / Downloads: 3)
Oh, the + markers spacing got displaced., Oh again, seems like theyre ok when downloaded.
RE: Picnic Table glyph; Eva-x - R. Sale - 03-03-2026
It's the age-old question. Different letters or scribal variations? There are also several examples with an inward turned foot on the left leg. It shows a lot of inconsistency between certain groups.
RE: Picnic Table glyph; Eva-x - eggyk - 04-03-2026
If we assume the curved left foot is a variant of a regular x symbol, it also opens up questions about the v symbol. Could it explain why we don't see v anywhere?
Perhaps we do see it everywhere.. Just a thought..
RE: Picnic Table glyph; Eva-x - ReneZ - 04-03-2026
People doing counts may want to cross-check with this document:
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in particular the X family near the very end of the document
This also notes some variants that GC distinguished in his alphabet.
An observation I have not seen here is that almost all occurrences of the picnic table are on B language pages. The main (only?) exceptions are on f57v, where one might argue that the language identification is a bit difficult.
RE: Picnic Table glyph; Eva-x - Bluetoes101 - 04-03-2026
(04-03-2026, 12:27 AM)eggyk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If we assume the curved left foot is a variant of a regular x symbol, it also opens up questions about the v symbol. Could it explain why we don't see v anywhere?
Perhaps we do see it everywhere.. Just a thought..
I've asked elsewhere, if we see ih then do we see ci? and I think we do. But it is rare (and especially x examples). Perhaps it is not so rare but done in a way in which it is not totally obvious to us. I think understanding patterns within the text will be the key, but others think different. It's an interesting topic of discussion anyway.
RE: Picnic Table glyph; Eva-x - Mark Knowles - 04-03-2026
This symbol is often seen in diplomatic ciphers of the period.
RE: Picnic Table glyph; Eva-x - RobGea - 04-03-2026
Picnic Table has a passing similarity to big red seagull glyph on f01r (rare char, <!@252;> in ZL3b-n) --when flipped.