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The herbal of Giovanni Cadamosto da Lodi - Printable Version +- The Voynich Ninja (https://www.voynich.ninja) +-- Forum: Library and Research (https://www.voynich.ninja/forum-35.html) +--- Forum: Codicology and Paleography (https://www.voynich.ninja/forum-48.html) +--- Thread: The herbal of Giovanni Cadamosto da Lodi (/thread-510.html) Pages:
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The herbal of Giovanni Cadamosto da Lodi - MarcoP - 03-04-2016 I recently read an You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. by the Italian herbal expert Sergio Toresella in which the scholar proposes an analogy between the Voynich manuscripts and works by Giovanni Cadamosto. Quote:Personalmente ritengo che l'autore del codice voynich fosse un pazzo (di alto livello però) o più probabilmente un ciarlatano come Cadamosto (parente del navigatore) Quest'ultimo era un uomo assai ricco e pubblicò un ragguardevole lavoro sulle piante, un Tacuinum sanitatis e parecchie considerazioni sui veleni. La sua opera è stata ricopiata diverse volte negli anni e si trova a Vienna, New York, Lugano, Norimberga, Firenze, Parigi (questa copia gli fu pagata 10 scudi d'oro da Borso d'Este). [...] My translation: Personally, I think that the author of the Voynich manuscript was a madman (but of a high level) or more likely a charlatan like Cadamosto (a relative of the sailor). He was a very rich man and published an important work about plants, a “Tacuinum sanitatis” and several considerations about venoms. His work has been copied many timest through the years and can be found in Vienna, New York, Lugano, Nuremberg, Florence, Paris (this copied was paid to him 10 golden scudi by Borso d'Este). [...] If I remember correctly (but I should check my notes) a weak correlation in terms of contents could maybe be seen between the naked bathing women in the Voynich ms and a late copy of Cadamosto's herbal in the City Library of New York which I think contains a chapter about the thermal baths in Porretta. (In these same comments, Toresella dismisses as irrelevant the work of Stephen Bax and praises Pelling's Filarete hypothesis – I disagree with these opinions, which are not the subject of this thread) The sailor mentioned by Toresella likely is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (also Alvide da Ca' da Mosto) who “undertook two known journeys to West Africa in 1455 and 1456”. Copies of the herbal of Giovanni Cadamosto da Lodi have been mentioned both by You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (also You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. I recently compared one of them with the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. discussed by Koen Gh. Here are some on-line copies: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. Veneto, 3rd quarter 15th century. (before 1472). Online scans are of excellent quality and allow the Italian text to be easily read. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. – this is the copy made for Borso d'Este mentioned by Toresella. The manuscript was written in 1471. The BNF images allow an analysis of the illustrations, but for the roots of the plants at the bottom which have often been trimmed in the scans). The resolution is not sufficient to read the text. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. From the site: Dated to ca. 1475 by notes in dossier; in a northern Italian dialect. Acc. to Kup, the direct ancestor of the illustration cycle in our ms. is the Latin Tacuinum You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. As noted by Toresella, this copy includes a bathing section (near the end). You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. A XVI century copy. Origin: Northern Italy or Germany. The Italian text appears after the illustrations, starting at f80r. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., Augsburg?, 1520 – 1530. I have been unable to find any specific statement, but I think this beautiful German manuscript also derives from Cadamosto's herbal. This manuscript is similar to Harley 3736. For comparison, I attach images of Bryonia from the different manuscripts. Cadamosto's herbal is too late to have inspired the Voynich manuscript, still it is a very interesting parallel. In particular, roots include various curious elements that also appear in the VMS. Also, the herbal is very accurate and it appears to have been originally at least partially drawn from actual plants. It includes some of the “plants of the alchemists” (e.g. Lunaria, A morso serpentis, Consolida) but it does not feature the strong simplification that makes the “alchemical herbals” stylistically different from the VMS. As noted by Toresella, also the presence of a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in the New York exemplar is of interest. ----- Here is the list of plants in the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (see comment You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.). Clickable links to the later illustrations in BL Harley MS 3736. 13 top - "Artemesia" , artemisia You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 13 bottom - "Acetosa" , rumex acetosa / sorrel ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 14 top - "Acetosa mezana" , sorrel ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 14 bottom - "Acetosa minore" , sorrel ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 15 top - "Agrimonia" , agrimony You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 15 bottom - "Absinchio ?" , artemisia absinthium ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 16 top - "Alchechingi" , physalis alkekengi You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 16 bottom - "Aleluya panis cuculi" , trifolium silvestre You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 17 top - "Aristologia longa" , “long” aristolochia You are not allowed to view links. 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Register or Login to view. 22 top - "Appio" , apium graveolens You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 22 bottom - "Aleo selvatico" , allium ursinum / wild garlic You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 23 top - "Apio riso" , apium You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 23 bottom - "Anedalco consolida magiore" , arnica montana ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 24 top - "Anedo" , anethum graveolens You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 24 bottom - "Avedon tasso barbasso" , verbascum thapsus You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 25 top - "Alixandra" , smyrnium olusatrum / Alexanders You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 25 bottom - "Aricanto eleboro biancho" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 26 top - "Angelica" , angelica ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 26 bottom - "Antipater herba muscata" , achillea erba-rotta subsp. moschata ? 27 top - " - 27 bottom - "Artetica peolosella" , ajuga chamaepitys You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 28 top - "Amarella" , artemisia vulgaris You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 28 bottom - "Affrania" , saffron crocus ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 29 top - "Antora" , aconitum anthora ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 29 bottom - "Anedina" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 30 top - "Annabula" , tithymalus spathulatus / euphorbia spathulata You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 30 bottom - "Arca angelica angelica" , archangelica You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 31 top - "Adianto" , adiantum capillus-veneris ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 31 bottom - "Ambrosia" , ambrosia You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 32 top - "Bugolosa" , anchusa azurea You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 32 bottom - "Betonica" , stachys officinalis / betony You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 33 top - "Bardana" , arctium lappa You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 33 bottom - "Bursa pastoris" , capsella bursa-pastoris / shepherd's-purse You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 34 top - "Boragine" , borago / borage You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 34 bottom - "Branca ursina" , heracleum sphondylium ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 35 top - "Balsamita menta acquatica" , tanacetum balsamita You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 35 bottom - "Brionia" , bryonia dioica You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 36 top - "Balicha" , matthiola incana You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 36 bottom - "Berbena" , verbena officinalis You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 37 top - "Bedegar" , cynara cardunculus / cardoon You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 37 bottom - "Barbaircina" , tragopogon You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 38 top - "Bonavischio" , althaea officinalis You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 38 bottom - "Bistorta" , bistorta You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 39 top - "Bonifacia pagana" , ruscus hypoglossum ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 39 bottom - "Batilessere" , centaurea cyanus / cornflower You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 40 top - "Bruscono" , ruscus aculeatus / butcher's-broom, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 40 bottom - "Barba aron herba bilera" , arum You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 41 top - "Barba iovis sticados" , lavandula stoechas / lavender ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 41 bottom - "Basilico" , ocimum basilicum / basil You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 42 top - "Beusto" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 42 bottom - "Bledono ?", Bledorio ? ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 43 top - "Benrosso" , statice limonium You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 43 bottom - "Boragine salvatico" , borago / wild borage You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 44 top - "Centaurea minore" , centaurea minor You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 44 bottom - "Canaparia" , eupatorium cannabinum You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 45 top - "Cardoncello" , cirsium arvense / thistle You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 45 bottom - "Cauda equina" , equisetum / horsetail You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 46 top - "Camomilla" , matricaria chamomilla / chamomile You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 46 bottom - "Cameleonta nigra" , carlina gummifera ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 47 top - "Cinaglossa lingua canis" , cynoglossum You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 47 bottom - "Cottula bruxa bocha" , anthemis cotula ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 48 top - "Capillo venere" , adiantum capillus-veneris You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 48 bottom - "Consolida minore" , symphytum bulbosum You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 49 top - "Cipero" , aspalatus linearis You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 49 bottom - "Caprifolio" , lonicera / caprifolium / honeysuckles You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 50 top - "Cichlamen" , cyclamen You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 50 bottom - "Cigola squilla" , drimia maritima You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 51 top - "Carlina" , carlina You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 51 bottom - "Campanella gentiana minore" , gentiana asclepiadea You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 52 top - "Cimballaria colitidon" , cymbalaria You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 52 bottom - "Centrogalli scarlegia" , alectorolophus / rhinanthus minor You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 53 top - "Cardo benedetto herba turca" , centaurea benedicta ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 53 bottom - "Cappari" , capparis spinosa / caper You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 54 top - "Corigiola sanguinaria poligonia" , dipsacus ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 54 bottom - "Coriandro" , coriandrum sativum / coriander You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 55 top - "Catapucia tintimalo" , euphorbia lathyris You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 55 bottom - "Cauda leonis" , limodorum ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 56 top - "Cuscute" , cuscuta / dodder You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 56 bottom - "Cauda porcina meyo salvatico" , peucedanum officinale ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 57 top - "Cicuta" , cicuta / water hemlock You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 57 bottom - "Centonico" , artemisia santonicum ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 58 top - "Camepiteos" , ajuga chamaepitys You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 58 bottom - "Calamento" , calamintha You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 59 top - "Crespola" , chrysanthemum parthenium You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 59 bottom - "Camedreos quercula" , teucrium chamaedrys / wall germander. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 60 top - "Cicorea" , cichorium intybus / wild chicory You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 60 bottom - "Celidonia" , chelidonium majus You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 61 top - "Cartamo zafrano salvatico" , carthamus tinctorius / safflower You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 61 bottom - "Chroco zafrano domestico" , crocus sativus / saffron / autumn crocus You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 62 top - "Carenza pan molo" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 62 bottom - "Cucumero asinino" , ecballium elaterium You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 63 top - "Castagnola" , scrophularia nodosa ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 63 bottom - "Citracha" , asplenium ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 64 top - "Corbula" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 64 bottom - "Caruino" , carum carvi? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 65 top - "Centaurea magiore" , centaurea centaurium You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 65 bottom - "Cauda vulpina" , fox's tail ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 66 top - "Canna domestica" , arundo donax ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 66 bottom - "Canna salvatica" , arundo donax ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 67 top - "Campanara" , myrtus communis ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 67 bottom - "Colandra" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 68 top - "Canforada" , stratiotes aloides ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 68 bottom - "Castora" , ricinus communis / castorbean You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 69 top - "Castrangula minore" , scrophularia ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 69 bottom - "Cannamella" , accharum officinarum ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 70 top - "Cottula media" , anthemis cotula ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 70 bottom - "Cugierera" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 71 top - "Cicorea domestica" , cichorium intybus / chicory You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 71 bottom - "Cottula major" , anthemis cotula ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 72 top - "Chiri" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 72 bottom - "Cressone" , nasturtium officinale / watercress You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 73 top - "Centumcapita" , eryngium You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 73 bottom - "Castrangula milimorbia" , scrophularia ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 74 top - "Cararola" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 74 bottom - "Costanza" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 75 top - "Caspetres" , saxifraga hirculus You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 75 bottom - "Casturza" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 76 top - "Crespanica" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 76 bottom - "Cornatella" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 77 top - "Diptamo" , dictamnus You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 77 bottom - "Dragontea" , dracunculus vulgaris You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 78 top - "Dauco pastonachia salvatica" , pastinaca / daucus carota You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 78 bottom - "Daneda" , tanacetum vulgare You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 79 top - "Dente de leone taraxacon" , taraxacum officinale / common dandelion You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 79 bottom - "Durella sissamo" , sesamum indicum / sesame ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 80 top - "Dente caballino iuschiaris" , hyoscyamus niger You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 80 bottom - "Dragone" , artemisia dracunculus / tarragon You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 81 top - "Ermodatilo" , iris tuberosa You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 81 bottom - "Elleboro nigro" , helleborus niger You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 82 top - "Epaticha" , marchantiophyta / hepatopsida You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 82 bottom - "Elleboro bianco" , helleborus albus You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 83 top - "Ebulo" , sambucus ebulus You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 83 bottom - "Eufrasia" , euphrasia ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 84 top - "Enula" , inula helenium / elecampane You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 84 bottom - "Edera" , hedera / ivy You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 85 top - "Esula" , euphorbia esula You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 85 bottom - "Epictamo" , cuscuta epithymum You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 86 top - "Fen grecho" , trigonella foenum-graecum You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 86 bottom - "Eupatorio" , eupatorium You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 87 top - "Fenichulo erbabona" , foeniculum vulgare / fennel You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 87 bottom - "Filopendula vistago" , filipendula You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 88 top - "Faba inversa" , atropa belladonna You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 88 bottom - "Faba grecha grasulla" , crassula ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 89 top - "Furmotere" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 89 bottom - "Farfarela" , petasites hybridus You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 90 top - "Felefe" , pteridophyte / fern ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 90 bottom - "Fillago" , filago You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 91 top - "Folio" , equisetum arvense ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 91 bottom - "Fragule" , fragaria / strawberry You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 92 top - "Fafana testiculi de sacerdothi" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 92 bottom - "Gariofolata pes leporis" , geum urbanum / wood avens / herb Bennet You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 93 top - "Git groton" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 93 bottom - "Gentiana" , gentiana ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 94 top - "Garofolo" , dianthus caryophyllus / carnation You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 94 bottom - "Genestra" , genista / broom You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 95 top - "Gratia dei" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 95 bottom - "Gramegna" , cynodon dactylon / devil's grass You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 96 top - "Galiga ructa capraria" , galeopsis ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 96 bottom - "Genogelo sechacul" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 97 top - "Giusemin" , jasminum / jasmine You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 97 bottom - "Gratiola" , gratiola officinalis You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 98 top - "Herba grana" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 98 bottom - "Garofoli indiani" , syzygium aromaticum / clove You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 99 top - "Herba bianca calendula" , calendula You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 99 bottom - "Herba fornefera erba nova" , solanum nigrum / black nightshade You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 100 top - "Herba grissa" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 100 bottom - "Herba venti? denti?" , taraxacum officinale / common dandelion ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 101 top - "Herba gualteri" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 101 bottom - "Herba pe de barba ruberti" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 102 top - "Herba foruncula" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 102 bottom - "Herba potaria" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 103 top - "Isopo" , hyssopus officinalis / hyssop You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 103 bottom - "Ipericon perforata" , hypericum You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 104 top - "Iva" , achillea ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 104 bottom - "Iva muscada" , achillea muschiata You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 105 top - "Ioncholo" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 105 bottom - "Ireos" , iris ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 106 top - "Iris" , iris You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 106 bottom - "Iordana" , ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 107 top - "Imperatoria" , peucedanum ostruthium You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 107 bottom - "Indicho" , indigofera tinctoria ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 108 top - "Liqueritia" , lycyrrhiza glabra / licorice You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 108 bottom - "Herba rosa erba sancta maria" , tanacetum balsamita ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 109 top - "Linaria" , linaria vulgaris You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 109 bottom - "Levisticho" , levisticum officinale You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 110 top - "Lillio" , lilium / lily You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 110 bottom - "Lapatio" , rumex / dock You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 111 top - "Lupulo" , humulus lupulus / hop You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 111 bottom - "Lino linoxa" , linum usitatissimum / flax You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 112 top - "Lunaria magiore" , lunaria rediviva ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 112 bottom - "Latuca" , lactuca sativa, lettuce You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 113 top - "Lantiola" , plantago lanceolata You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 113 bottom - "Lavenda" , lavandula, lavender You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 114 top - "Lapa inversa" , arctium lappa ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 114 bottom - "Luminela" , euphrasia officinalis ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 115 top - "Lunaria minore" , petasites hybridus ? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 115 bottom - "Lingua pagana" , ruscus hypoglossum You are not allowed to view links. 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RE: The herbal of Giovanni Cadamosto da Lodi - MarcoP - 04-04-2016 Davidsch asked me to translate some of the text in the Vienna manuscript, so here is the text in the first page: Quote:Facto questo nobilissimo Collegio et studio detanti Valenthomini circa le nature de lherbe de cibi e de ueneni / de pietre et de parole et de loro iuuamenti et nocumenti et ad remouere li nocimenti soi et claramente ha[n]no / conclusa la mera uerita de queste cose , le quale paerndo admi Iohanne Cadamosto sparse in tanti uolumi . no[n] / con pocha fatica . uigilie . et affanni . le ho reducte insema . como nel processo udereti: per Alphabeto . per piu / facilita trouarle ad laude et honore dello omnipotente iDio el quale sana ogni langore: This very noble council and study of so many men of value was made about the nature of plants, foods and venoms, / stones and words and their benefits and damages and to remove their damages and clearly they / concluded the pure truth of such matters. Seeming to me, Giovanni Cadamosto, that all these things were spread in many books, with no / little efforts, vigils and troubles, I brought them together, as you will see in the following, alphabetically, so that they / are easier to find, for the praise and honor of the almighty God who heals every sickness. The illustration represents the “noble council” presided by Avicenna. RE: The herbal of Giovanni Cadamosto da Lodi - Diane - 05-04-2016 In the comparative series of thumbnails shown with Marco's post of April 3rd, 2016, you can see the label "Brionia" on some, though in others the text is not shown. The plant intended by those images appears to add the 'human body' as aid to distinguishing this plant as the White bryony. It is poison, like the others called by that name - the Black Bryony (Tammis communis LINN) and the European white Bryony (Bryonia alba. LINN). However, it is only the White Bryony (Bryonia dioica LINN.), so far as I can discover, which was associated with the Mandrake plant, whose roots also often show human 'roots'. White Bryony was called 'the English Mandrake'. Such mnemonic elements, in imagery from the European medieval traditions, will often refer to the written text, and to popular lore, and are designed to recall specific words associated with a plant. (Alain Touwaide has also noted this connection in relation to the Latin European herbal tradition). On that point, however, we find another distinguishing difference in the way the Voynich botanical folios employ roots as mnemonic. That is to say (and I'm not including the roots-and-leaves section in this), they refer only to the plant-group's economic value and practical uses. You don't need to know any language in particular, only enough about the plants - they are aids to recall of why a particular good is worth buying/selling/having. I think this is an important difference - an instance of a very different mind-set - between these European works on paper and the imagery in the Vms. I would agree in relation to stylistics, though, that the 'Veneto style' in European botanical imagery of the fifteenth century is very interesting. It would appear to have affected the earliest of the examples which Marco illustrates (with thumbnails) in the same post. The earliest example, the 'Belluno' leaves themselves, are early fifteenth century, probably made in the Veneto, and are held as You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. What I should ideally like to see is the opinion of an independent specialist (i.e. with no connection to Voynich studies), on what degree that style has influenced the later herbal imagery produced from the Veneto - including Cadamosto's. When listing works considered similar, I think it is a good idea to list them in order of date if possible. Otherwise the reader tends to presume that the one on the top of the list is the 'ur' version, from which the following are descended. Whether a text was produced on paper, as Cadomostro's was, or on membrane as the Vms is is also a very important difference for codicologists and for tracing the history of a given work. For example, since MS Beinecke 408 is on vellum its absence of marking up is most unusual and another among many signals of non-Latin European origins. A different mind-set and set of customs. On the other hand, people who used paper were often able to use the laid-lines to keep their writing straight and you may not see marking up on those pages. Comparing paper to the Vms, then, can tend to imply that 'other herbals' had similar format whereas in fact that similarity is invalid. I had been wondering whether Torasella's views had changed in the past thirty years, but I see that he seems still to maintain his first idea that the manuscript had an 'author' whom he imagines as a sex-crazed herbalist obsessed with 'pea-soup' herbal baths. How he combines that with Pelling's Averlino thesis, I'm not sure, but then I don't believe either is sufficiently justified by the primary source, do I? ![]() RE: The herbal of Giovanni Cadamosto da Lodi - MarcoP - 20-05-2016 Transcription and translation of Cadamosto's description of Lunaria (image 112 of the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.). Lunaria magiore e calda e secha in primo grado e freda e humida insecondo per virtu spetificha questa sie una erba la quale fa uno fusto longo zinque palmi e fa quindese foglie comenzando el primo di de la luna fa una foglia el secondo di un altra e cossi vano cresendo fine a quindex foglie. el sedice di croda una foglia / e vano crodando tute cosi come cresse la luna cossi crese le foglie como cala la luna cala le foglie e cosi se cognosse quanti di a la luna vedendo questa herba / mangiando de questa herba fa tornare la vista a uno che labia persa / e por tandela adosso no[n] po esere afturato ne te mera nesuna mala cossa. mangiata questa herba cura la febre quartana e leva e cura tute le pasione melancolice / e portandela /a dosso sera amato da ogni p[er]sona e no[n] li potra noce li inimici soy. li alkemisti dicono che una dragma de questa polvere butandela in ramo fonduto diventa oro/ e nel stagno dive[n]ta argento. The greater Lunaria is hot and dry in the first degree, cold and wet in the second. For its specific virtue, this herb grows a stem five palms long and makes fifteen leaves. Beginning the first day of the moon, it makes a leaf, the second day another one, and so they grow up to fifteen leaves. The sixteenth day a leaf falls and all fall down. As the moon grows, so the leaves grow. As the moon wanes, so the leaves fall. And so we know how many days the moon has, seeing this herb. Eating this herb, one who lost his sight recovers it. Wearing it, one cannot be charmed and he will not fear any bad thing. Eaten, it cures the quartan fever and removes and cures all melancholy passions. Wearing it, one will be loved by everyone and he will not be armed by his enemies. The alchemists say a drachma of this powder thrown into molten copper turns it into gold, and into tin turns it into silver. RE: The herbal of Giovanni Cadamosto da Lodi - Davidsch - 21-05-2016 marco thou are of silver ande gold thryrty days are not enough to say how much i like your transkypt RE: The herbal of Giovanni Cadamosto da Lodi - MarcoP - 23-05-2016 Hello David, I am glad you appreciated the transcription! For comparison. here is a more ordinary plant (the first one) from the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (Artemisia, image 13). Artemesia e calda in terzo grado e secca in secondo et e dima[n]data matre delle herbe. la decoccione de questa herba beuta cura le aposterne de la matrice et sedendo in dicta dcocione cura le sue duraze. pistata con buono vino et bevuta fa disperdere le done. et emplasteata suso al vetre provoca la secondina. beuta la sua decocione facta con vino bianco p[ro]voca la urina et con[n]du- ce for le pietre delle vene. adiuta quelli che sono gialdi. et cura quelli che hanno recevuto l opio pistata et beuta con vino. et chi mangiara de dicta herba fara sicuro del noci- mento de le medecine. portandola al colo no[n] sara morduto da bestia venenosa. mettendo lherba ad bulire nel mosto nel vasello bevendo de quel vino havera bono et gratissimo odore. et conf- ortara el stomaco et levara li humori melancolici del cuore. mangiata dicta herba apre le vene emoroidale.et. cure le apo- steme del sedio. et chi la porta con si non teme la fatica de lo andare. missa ne la casa discacia li demonii et veta at tutti li incantamenti. Artemisia is cold in the third degree and dry in the second. It is called the mother of all herbs. Drinking a decoction of this herb cures the pustules of the uterus; sitting on that decoction cures its hardness. Crushed with good wine and drunk, it causes abortion. As a plaster on the abdomen, it causes the placenta [to be expelled]. Drinking a decoction made with white wine causes urine and takes out the stones from the veins. It helps those who are yellow and cures those who received opium if crushed and drunk with wine. Whoever eats this herb will be safe from the damages of medicines. Wearing it at his neck, one will not be bitten by venomous beasts. Boiling the plant in must in a small jar, drinking that wine one will have a good and grateful smell; it will comfort the stomach and remove melancholic humors from the heart. When eaten, this plant opens the veins of the hemorrhoids and cures the pustules in the butt. Who brings it with himself does not fear the exertion of traveling. Put inside the house, it drives away demons and prevents all incantations. RE: The herbal of Giovanni Cadamosto da Lodi - nickpelling - 23-05-2016 MarcoP: I think it is important to point out this: that even among the relatively small number of top experts on herbals, Sergio Toresella is unusual in that he travelled the world to examine a huge number of herbal manuscripts first-hand. This was his life's calling, not just a sideline: his opinion was formed from herbals in toto, not the kind of opportunistic and scattered sampling the Internet offers. Moreover: Paris, BNF, It 1108 is dated "vers 1471", which does not match your personal dating of the Voynich manuscript but closely fits Toresella's dating of ~1460. RE: The herbal of Giovanni Cadamosto da Lodi - Koen G - 23-05-2016 Does that mean there is any good reason to doubt the carbon-dating? RE: The herbal of Giovanni Cadamosto da Lodi - -JKP- - 23-05-2016 (23-05-2016, 11:40 AM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Does that mean there is any good reason to doubt the carbon-dating? Even if we take the radiocarbon dating with a grain of salt (which is always a good idea, even though it is good technology and always improving), the vellum, script styles (marginalia), fashion styles, piments/inks, and many other aspects of the manuscript are at least in the same general ballpark as the carbon-dated estimate. (23-05-2016, 11:17 AM)nickpelling Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.MarcoP: I think it is important to point out this: that even among the relatively small number of top experts on herbals, Sergio Toresella is unusual in that he travelled the world to examine a huge number of herbal manuscripts first-hand. This was his life's calling, not just a sideline: his opinion was formed from herbals in toto, not the kind of opportunistic and scattered sampling the Internet offers. Glad to see you're over the worst of your computer woes, Nick. Hopefully the rest will fall into place. RE: The herbal of Giovanni Cadamosto da Lodi - ReneZ - 25-05-2016 Even while Toresella's judgment and the C-14 dating do not exactly coincide, I do not see it as a great discrepancy at all. I certainly consider his opinion as having more weight than that of any of us here. At the same time, the handful of true experts do not necessarily agree. Finally, I think it is quite reasonable to allow a 2-decade margin even on an expert's opinion. What could easily have happened is that the parchment was produced in 1430, and the MS completed in 1450. This largely fits with everything. Just a possibility of course. |