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[split] Solved again... - ManaDragonLord - 23-08-2025

deleted this abomination i am very sorry.  Please read my other work recently here in the blog.

RE: Solved again... - tavie - 23-08-2025

Welcome.  Please read You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. about AI slop.

RE: Solved again... - Ruby Novacna - 23-08-2025

It's just unbelievable

RE: Solved again... - Kendiyas - 23-08-2025

I just love how people use Chatgpt and they don’t even bother checking the text or the whole folio in this instance. The You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. doesn’t even show any plants it is a four paragraph introductory page with the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. plant’s leaves showing through. I think Koen can seperate the comments above to a new thread and chuck it into the ChatGPTrash.

Edit: 
Quote:I have all folios including the missing 6 but not the actual copies lol I extrapolated them from indentations on the other pages through an incredible advanced OCR I am developing that could see al 6 pages in detail save for one of the authors full signatures


Also wtf..

RE: Solved again... - ManaDragonLord - 24-08-2025

Sorry The community is correct i think about my findings I think I got caught in the same thing like others with this.  that plant can't be a cornflower
Layer two is correct and based on real evidence not facsimile information which really makes me mad the AI was feeding what i wanted to hear!!  that is crap.

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I am a math specialist I should have stuck with that

"fachys otoldy qokain qol chedy"

Layer two =
[daily cycles] [monthly cycles] [annual cycles] [hourly cycles] [century cycles]

this layer is based on the golden ratio 1.618 and astronomical constants. To create a 9 digit time system for the first line here. 

    Number Theory (modular arithmetic, primes, Fibonacci)
    Discrete Mathematics (combinatorics, sequences)
    Cryptanalysis (code breaking, pattern recognition)
    Information Theory (encoding, dual-layer systems)
    Mathematical Linguistics (quantitative language analysis)

Apparently there is an actual name for this which I was actually amazed about:

  Quantitative Historical Cryptanalysis with Multi-modal Validation

each word after careful consideration man did this take time to figure out.  I ran all finds of mathematical models. this was eating at me for a long time from the beginning! about July 25, 2025, to now.
Each area equals a type as written above.  So, from that, I kind of got an idea that the amount of letter were the numbers not sure why just looked and was wondering why since a lot of ciphers make the lettering the same, so the code is harder to figure out.  it is 6 6 6 3 5 so I figured the last two after lots of testing were part of number theory under the Fibonacci sequences of the smallest and the highest number that are primes.  this plays some significance later.  the 3 6's are standard. i remembered something when I was studying number theory on YouTube and realized that was a Combinatoric [6,6,6,3,5].  it is supposed to show the values broken down. to get the correct lettering but that isn't anything more than verification in this. the important numbers are the 26(length without spaces) and the 30 (length with spaces). 

So all this taught me in the end is that the words are representative of the letters and the spacing to get the mods.  30 for first mod and 26 for second mod.  It is usually full amount then lesser in multi-level mod number theory.
note I did use a calculator on this - convert all to hours
usual constants from medieval textbooks
1 hour
24 hours in a day
720 hours in a month
8760 hours in a year (modern day is ~8766 hours so it is odd they were aware of this and still used 8760 at least to me)
876000 hours in a century (pretty easy being 100 x 8760 lol)

(6 x 24) + (720 x 6) + (8,760 x 6) + (1 x 3) + (876,000 x 5) = 144 + 4,320 + 52,560 + 3 + 4,380,000 = 4,437,027 this number isn't that important save for the overall key structure and my wasted time lol.  I think it might just be a key.
66635
this next part was after trying some other math that lead me to this in reverse because I messed it up I thought it was calculus for some reason.  Took me time to figure out there was no calculus here it was instead found where the mod went …
6 x 24 = 144 -> 144 x 1.618 = 232.99 -> 232.99 mod 30 = 22
6 x 720= 4,320 → 4,320 × 1.618 = 6,989.90 → 6,989.90 mod 30 = 29
6 x8,760 = 52,560 → 52,560 × 1.618 = 85,043.86 → 85,043.86 mod 30 = 23
3 x 1 = 3 → 3 × 1.618 = 4.85 → 4.85 mod 30 = 4
5 x 876,000 = 4,380,000 → 4,380,000 × 1.618 = 7,086,988.87 → 7,086,988.87 mod 30 = 28
All the answers = 63
Then to get the step for the row
63 ÷ 26 = 2 remainder 11 → step size 11÷ 3 = 3
Count the mod 26 row from left to right (no spaces are counted) count 0 or f in this case.

fholqaqcd

So each letter is a time related signature based on the word that it came from:
Sequence number – letter – word – allocation(instruction it seems) – hours – description
0 - f - fachys daily observation 24 small delicate leaves
3 - h - fachys daily observation 24 Small delicate leaves
6 - o - otoldy monthly monitoring 720 Ear-shaped form
9 - l - otoldy monthly monitoring 720 Ear-shaped form
12 - q - qokain yearly harvest(same as below) 8,760 Healing essence
15 - a - qokain yearly harvest(cornflower is annual) 8,760 Healing essence
18 - q - qol hourly 1 Plant communication
21 - c - chedy century 876,000 Spreading growth
24 - d - chedy century 876,000 Spreading growth
Now I pull the meaning and the words meaning and get

DAILY OBSERVATION
"f" → 24 hours →   
"h" → 24 hours → 
MONTHLY MONITORING
"o" → 720 hours → 
"l" → 720 hours → 
YEARLY HARVEST
"q" → 8,760 hours → 
"a" → 8,760 hours → 
HOURLY PRECISION:
"q" → 1 hours → 
CENTURY PRESERVATION:
"c" → 876,000 hours → 
"d" → 876,000 hours → 

So with a little help from AI to do a search on the letter sequence looking for the cornflower it came across the book Columella's "De Re Rustica" which stated the 8 steps, and the quality step needs to be twice. The same as the above code!!

This page has many other similarities to the teachings in that book after finding this. It seems

This sequence is called "bis qualitate inspicienda" from the Columella's "De Re Rustica"
Meaning that the author of this line (who actually wrote the whole page) the only one in the group that wrote this and went to the college of Solerno where the book was kept.
The book indicates the rest of this but for good measure I wanted to understand it:
The 8 steps plus 1 Q are:
FUNDAMENTUM (F) - "The foundation of farming is knowledge of the soil"
HORA (H) - "The hour of sowing must be carefully observed"
OBSERVATIO (O) - "Observation of sky and signs is necessary for the farmer"
LONGUS (L) - "Long course of time in agriculture must be considered"
QUALITAS (Q) - "Quality of soil must be inspected twice in the year"
ANNUS (A) - "The year is the farmer's perpetual course"
QUALITAS (Q) - "Quality assessment" (Second inspection cycle)
CONSERVATIO © - "Conservation of grains and fruits is necessary"
DURATIO (D) - "Duration of works must be arranged according to seasons"

BONUS: DILIGENTIA - "Greatest diligence is required in agriculture"

After attempting all kinds of understanding from this point,
F = FUNDAMENTUM - Well-drained, alkaline soil pH 6.0-7.5, moderate fertility
H = HORA - Early spring sowing, 2-3 weeks before last frost (60°F soil temp)
O = OBSERVATIO - Monitor for aphids, powdery mildew; blue flowers = healthy minerals
L = LONGUS - Annual plant, succession plantings every 2-3 weeks
Q = QUALITAS - Spring quality check: seed germination, soil moisture, spacing
A = ANNUS - Coordinate with grain crops, follow wheat/barley season
Q = QUALITAS - Summer quality check: flower production, medicinal potency
C = CONSERVATIO - Dry blue petals for medicine, collect seeds for next year
D = DURATIO - 60-90 day cycle, stagger plantings for continuous supply

LINE1

fholqaqcd

these are from the book:

FUNDAMENTUM (F) - "The foundation of farming is knowledge of the soil"
HORA (H) - "The hour of sowing must be carefully observed"
OBSERVATIO (O) - "Observation of sky and signs is necessary for the farmer"
LONGUS (L) - "Long course of time in agriculture must be considered"
QUALITAS (Q) - "Quality of soil must be inspected twice in the year"
ANNUS (A) - "The year is the farmer's perpetual course"
QUALITAS (Q) - "Quality assessment" (Second inspection cycle)
CONSERVATIO © - "Conservation of grains and fruits is necessary"
DURATIO (D) - "Duration of works must be arranged according to seasons"

LINE7
chor sheey qokedy fholqaqcd alchedy

fholqaqcd

I feel like an idiot already! let me contribute more humbly.

RE: Solved again... - ManaDragonLord - 24-08-2025

(23-08-2025, 10:28 PM)Kendiyas Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I just love how people use Chatgpt and they don’t even bother checking the text or the whole folio in this instance. The You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. doesn’t even show any plants it is a four paragraph introductory page with the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. plant’s leaves showing through. I think Koen can seperate the comments above to a new thread and chuck it into the ChatGPTrash.

Edit: 
Quote:I have all folios including the missing 6 but not the actual copies lol I extrapolated them from indentations on the other pages through an incredible advanced OCR I am developing that could see al 6 pages in detail save for one of the authors full signatures


Also wtf..

I assure you it is real I am a programmer and advanced in this.  Also, my updated post says sorry for my idiocy in using AI to attempt to help me with my notes took me all night to get it correct it is on the page below this.  I am also sorry you had to see my malformed notes what a disaster!  Really sorry
(23-08-2025, 08:07 PM)tavie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Welcome.  Please read You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. about AI slop.

Hi Tavie, I am so sorry for this malformed thing i had there.  I really did solve it and I put my notes in a much better way on my second post please give it a look over.  I did not realize the power of the AI to misconstrue everything.  For that I translated the entire You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and put it in there.  Thank you for seeing this it was an abomination of my work.

RE: Solved again... - ManaDragonLord - 24-08-2025

(23-08-2025, 08:58 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It's just unbelievable

I am so sorry for that abomination i deleted it and wrote it by hand.  sorry for this it was a huge mistake i will never make again.

RE: Solved again... - Ruby Novacna - 24-08-2025

Does the text you're interpreting really exist? Or are you posting long, delusional messages just to waste people's time?

RE: Solved again... - tavie - 24-08-2025

His folio 1r text is still made up but as imaginary Voynichese goes, it's a step up from the first effort.  

Let's leave this guy be, everyone, while a decision is taken as to whether to move it to GPT Prison.

RE: Solved again... - nablator - 24-08-2025

(24-08-2025, 01:48 PM)ManaDragonLord Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The author, Arnold of Villanova, is preserving and encoding advanced botanical knowledge that combines Columella's De Re Rustica, Dioscorides' De Materia Medica, other Medieval pharmaceutical techniques, and the 9-step FHOLQAQCD system

Forgive me for the mistake of trusting AISad

This time you checked everything, right?