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A Ardıç - "The Code Is Deciphered. The Answer Is Evident! How Does AI..." 28/04 - Bluetoes101 - 30-04-2025
"The Code Is Deciphered. The Answer Is Evident! How Does AI Assess the Findings on the Voynich Manuscript?"
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RE: A Ardıç - "The Code Is Deciphered. The Answer Is Evident! How Does AI..." 28/04 - Koen G - 30-04-2025
Did anyone read it?
RE: A Ardıç - "The Code Is Deciphered. The Answer Is Evident! How Does AI..." 28/04 - Bluetoes101 - 30-04-2025
I read some, if you read things from his old thread its more of the same.
Well that, and you are certainly off the Xmas card list!
RE: A Ardıç - "The Code Is Deciphered. The Answer Is Evident! How Does AI..." 28/04 - MarcoP - 30-04-2025
Bravo Koen!
You are now mankind's champion vs ChatGpt!
RE: A Ardıç - "The Code Is Deciphered. The Answer Is Evident! How Does AI..." 28/04 - bi3mw - 30-04-2025
Can you really upload ANYTHING to academia.edu?
RE: A Ardıç - "The Code Is Deciphered. The Answer Is Evident! How Does AI..." 28/04 - Rafal - 30-04-2025
I skimmed quickly it just now.
This paper is generally meant as a kind of "polemic". He seems not to like this forum
Quote:Today, there are researchers around the world who are regarded by others as VM experts. These individuals primarily gather on social media platforms such as "voynich.ninja", where they engage in analysis and information-sharing activitis as researchers and enthusiasts. Many researchers interacting within these groups hold numerous unproven beliefs (fixed opinions) about VM content. For example, Mr. Koen Gheuens, a linguist who is not an Old Turkish expert, is one of them. He has been a critic of our VM-Old Turkish hypothesis up to this point. In 2025, Mr. Koen Gheuens published a YouTube video, creating the perception among VM researchers that he had debunked my VM- Turkish theory. However, unfortunately, his critique did not address a single claim or finding from our theory, nor did he manage to refute even one piece of evidence we presented.
Most of the paper are his conversations with Chat GPT. He discusses with it VM being written in Turkish and Chat GPT seems to agree with him.
For me the problem is that Chat GPT generally seems to agree with whatever you says. It is your mirror and echo chamber which adjusts to your style and ideas. See for example: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
And he uses some "tricks" to be more convincing like using Turkish letters (which didn't exist around 1400 by the way) in his transriptions of Voynich text which, as you can guess, steer Chat GPT into Turkish.
Just for fun I asked Chat GPT more or less the same question as him:
Quote:I will now show you a sentence. I don't know what language it is, it might be some old extinct dialect. Tell me what language it resembles:
UY ÇCSU ÇCOSU ÇNU DOIM ÇZGCLU ÇCSU SAIN ÇNU ULOPAR OYAM OPŞ SÇUCUSU DOY-CSU SOR-ÇGU OSAIN/OŞAIN
Quote:Possible hypotheses:
- Invented language/cipher/artificial dialect – it looks like it might have been made up for a game, book, or linguistic experiment.
- Constructed language inspired by Turkish or Turkic languages – due to the use of "Ç" and structures resembling agglutinative suffixes.
- Conlang (constructed language) – like Esperanto, Klingon, or languages from games (e.g., from the universes of Elder Scrolls, Zelda, Dune).
As you can see it was much less sure in my case.
RE: A Ardıç - "The Code Is Deciphered. The Answer Is Evident! How Does AI..." 28/04 - Koen G - 30-04-2025
(30-04-2025, 05:15 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Bravo Koen!
You are now mankind's champion vs ChatGpt!
Proudly so.
(30-04-2025, 05:32 PM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Can you really upload ANYTHING to academia.edu?
Yes. It's like a research blog that tries to charge you money to find out who mentioned you.
RE: A Ardıç - "The Code Is Deciphered. The Answer Is Evident! How Does AI..." 28/04 - Bluetoes101 - 30-04-2025
In ChatGPTs defence, if you ignore the bits he highlights and read the non-highlighted text it tells a very different story.
RE: A Ardıç - "The Code Is Deciphered. The Answer Is Evident! How Does AI..." 28/04 - tavie - 30-04-2025
I'm not going to read and increase his stats. I read through enough of his other writings to surmise what he is saying (there was much worse that could have been put in the video), and I have no further desire to watch him caress the wet nurse's nipples.
Still, despite having an utterly incorrect solution, Ahmet may still have the last laugh if the manuscript is eventually deciphered: since so many languages are either Turkish or have borrowed the majority of their core vocabulary from Turkish (to the extent that Ahmet claims we English speakers would need to communicate by gestures if we stopped using Turkish words), there's a decent chance the solution can be claimed for the great Turkish language.
RE: A Ardıç - "The Code Is Deciphered. The Answer Is Evident! How Does AI..." 28/04 - asteckley - 30-04-2025
We’ve reached a point where the sheer number of researchers utterly convinced they’ve deciphered the manuscript—despite their solutions being clearly flawed—has become more striking than the mystery of the manuscript itself.