How to prove that the B-language is not Greek?

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RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 04-10-2025

Could the word EVA «lolkeol» in line 7 of 48r be the name of the plant drawn?
This word, loi(a)mioi(a), according to my current reading, can transcribe the Greek words loimioi, loimia, lamioi, or lamia.
The word λοιμία means plague or may be a declined form of λοίμιος = λοιμικός – pestilential, about pestilence, destructive, epithet of Apollo at Lindos.
The word λοίμιοι can be the plural of λοίμιος.
The word λαμια refers to Lamia, a female monster that devoured men and children, but also a kind of shark. It can also be a synonym for χασματα – yawning chasms, gulfs; open, gaping mouths, which gave rise to the name of an entire plant family, the Lamiaceae. These plants are recognizable by the corollas of their flowers, shaped like wide-open mouths.
And finally, the fourth possibility is Λαμιοι: it could be Φηρες Λαμιοι – twelve rustic demigods (daimones) native to the River Lamos transformed by Hera into ox-horned Kentauroi as punishment for their assistance to the infant Dionysus.
So we have at least four interpretations, but could they be related to the names of the plants?
For example, a plant used against the plague (λοίμιοι), such as rue, or a Lamiaceae plant (λαμια) or a centaurea (Λαμιοι/ Κένταυροι)?
What do you think?

RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Petrasti - 05-10-2025

According to your theory, is there a connection between the translated words and the plant images? Or have you found words that describe the plants, such as the word flower, leaf, blossom, root, the colors of the plants, or similar words that describe the shapes? Or do you assume that the plant drawings and the text have no connection?

RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 05-10-2025

My biggest "theory" is that we'll be able to read the text, and that's why I'm trying to find possible phonetic values for the glyphs and their combinations. As for the connection between the text and the images, that's my hope, nothing more for the moment.
Regarding the botanical terms or the colors, it's possible I've made some suggestions; you'd have to reread my word list. I'll examine the transcription and look at the images much later.

RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 06-10-2025

Can the word EVA "opaloiiry", placed as the label next to a container on 89v2, transcribe the Greek word ἀπόλουσις - ablution?
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RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Petrasti - 07-10-2025

Do you assume that the flowers are being described in the pictures of the plants? If so, you should be able to find the appropriate words for the plants there. If you don´t assume that, my question would be, are there medieval manuscripts in which, instead of plant descriptions, a text from a different subject area appears right next to plant drawings? And how likely would that be the case in Voynich? could that be a way for you to find evidence for or against your theory yourself?

RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Jorge_Stolfi - 07-10-2025

(07-10-2025, 11:32 AM)Petrasti Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Do you assume that the flowers are being described in the pictures of the plants? [...] are there medieval manuscripts in which, instead of plant descriptions, a text from a different subject area appears right next to plant drawings?

The texts in Medieval herbals did not describe the plants. Each text talked about the plant's uses -- what diseases it cured, how to prepare it, how much to take for how long, etc.

Check Marco Ponzi's You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (which is to real herbals like the Lord of the Rings is to real history, and Star Wars is to The Right Stuff...)

All the best, --jorge

RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Petrasti - 08-10-2025

Thanks Jorge for the link. Let's simplify it further. Then you should at least find words like herb, plant, leaf, or blossom, etc. And as an expanded option: add, mix, stir, shake, squeeze, or similar.

RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - nablator - 08-10-2025

(07-10-2025, 11:53 AM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The texts in Medieval herbals did not describe the plants.

It depends. Some herbals focused on the medical uses of plants only. Others such as the Tractatus de herbis included a description in the first half of the article for any plant, following the example of Dioscorides' De materia medica.

RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - ReneZ - 08-10-2025

Given that Ruby is contrained to posting about her theory in a single thread, this thread should probably not be taken off-topic too much....

RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 09-10-2025

(07-10-2025, 11:53 AM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Check Marco Ponzi's You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (which is to real herbals like the Lord of the Rings is to real history, and Star Wars is to The Right Stuff...)

Thanks Jorge for this comparison with The Right Stuff.., I have never seen this film, I just read its description, it is very informative.