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RE: The Translation of The Voynich Manuscript: Folio 1r - Aga Tentakulus - 28-10-2024
Actually, I never wanted to tell you that.
But I used to have 10 children. But it's only thanks to Dr Frankenstein that one of them had a birthday today, haahhhooo.
RE: The Translation of The Voynich Manuscript: Folio 1r - RobGea - 28-10-2024
Olive production in Switzerland :: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Also with a quick search cannot find any mention of "treading" olives.
RE: The Translation of The Voynich Manuscript: Folio 1r - Gab19 - 28-10-2024
(26-10-2024, 11:14 PM)Gab19 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(18-09-2024, 12:49 AM)nightbadger Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(12-07-2024, 01:59 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Welcome!
It seems difficult to figure out exactly how the Latin was produced. "Gestalt Perception" allows quite a lot of freedom of interpretation...
samen (not Latin) /semen is daiin, according to The Translation of The Voynich Manuscript: Folio 1r page 16.
The Gestalt Perception was not in reference to "samen/semen" but to electuarias and caelestias, etc - specifically using the more unusual ligatures. It does not allow a lot of freedom at all.
(11-08-2024, 08:07 PM)Gab19 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(02-07-2024, 02:47 AM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Isn't the overall idea of pressing vast amount of olives with feet (in Germany?) in the 15th century a bit far fetched? Context also considered (impossible cipher employed), so the olive police don't find out? People rebelled against the olive press? Are all the other plants going to be olives too?
"It is now determined that the purpose of the Voynich Manuscript is to make olive oil based electuaries to fight infection and other ailments, depending on one’s humoral disposition and time of birth during the year indicated by an individual's star sign (see rotulo sideris in the translation of Paragraph 4)."
The idea of olives are more than farfetched. I think the author has never seen real olives. They are hard with an even harder seed inside. To extract oil they had to be ground between two very heavy rocks, u often pulled in circles by a mule or a similar animal. No way ever they could crushed by human feet. I think it would even hurt your feet if you tried walking on olives. Then - olive trees don’t grow in Germany. Not now, not in Middle Ages. They need a Mediterranean climate only.
All it takes is a quick google to realize Switzerland was heavy in olive production in the middle ages and onward.
Not really.
Nightbadger - I realize I could have came as an a… ole but all I want to say is that you need more research and fact checking. Maybe what you say is not all wrong and you just need to reconsider some of the assumptions. Good luck!
RE: The Translation of The Voynich Manuscript: Folio 1r - MarcoP - 14-11-2024
This is based on something I posted on Reddit. The first version of the paper was clearer and offered a line-by-line Latin word salad, while in later versions the correspondence with Voynich lines was lost. That earlier version makes it easier to notice that the pseudo-Latin is twice longer than Voynichese (even using EVA) and includes more words. There is no clear correspondence between Voynichese words and Latin words (see highlighted examples, e.g. "horas" occurs three times in the fist two lines, but no Voynichese word occurs three times).
A possible way to simulate the encoding is removing half the characters and one fourth of the spaces from a plain text, but this of course increases entropy, while Scott's pseudo-Latin has a higher entropy than Voynichese.
Examples:
she seems to hang upon the cheek of night
seem t hn uote he o ngt
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
teuc bon o jmsvr h lz dg
in the beginning god created the heaven and the earth
ite einn gd raete evn n teat
Bowern and Lindemann have shown that also historical abbreviations in actual manuscripts result in higher entropy (which makes sense, since the goal is encoding the same amount of information in a shorter text).
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EDIT: Truncation could be a better approximation of Scott's method (it doesn't increase entropy, maybe it even lowers it somehow). Still removing one fourth of the spaces:
she seems to hang upon the cheek of night
shse to ha upth ch of ni
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
thqu br fo juov th la do
in the beginning god created the heaven and the earth
inth begi go creth he an thea