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RE: f80r top nymphs - Koen G - 18-09-2016
First of all, to anyone re-reading this thread, I have refined some of my opinions about these folios. Please refer to my You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. for my current view on things.
Wladimir - this is the page for a spindle in Russian: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. It's basically something you use for turning fibres into threads. The resemblance of this object to a spindle was first noted by Daniel Myers on Bax's site.
Most, if not all, on the objects held by the nymphs refer to various things at once though. There are several layers of meaning, of that I am certain. So while I think it does refer to a spinning tool, it also refers to other things, of which I am not sure yet.
I think the larger object held by the other nymphs (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) is some type of torch. A very nice example can be seen here, from Poppaea's villa:
![[Image: Torch%20on%20Steps.jpg]](http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/1975/783/1600/882604/Torch%20on%20Steps.jpg)
Diane has also written about it being a type of astronomical measuring tool with a light at the tip. This would explain why it looks like a torch and has markings on the side.
I am personally not convinced that any of these folios refer to the study of human anatomy. I'm not sure what you mean with the people-fish homo erectus cross breeding but it sounds intriguing
(ps: my first name is not pronounced like "cohen" but rather like "coon" would be pronounced in English. Weird Dutch spelling
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RE: f80r top nymphs - -JKP- - 18-09-2016
(18-09-2016, 04:28 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.First of all, to anyone re-reading this thread, I have refined some of my opinions about these folios. Please refer to my You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. for my current view on things.
Wladimir - this is the page for a spindle in Russian: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. It's basically something you use for turning fibres into threads. The resemblance of this object to a spindle was first noted by Daniel Myers on Bax's site.
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I think the larger object held by the other nymphs (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) is some type of torch. A very nice example can be seen here, from Poppaea's villa:
Diane has also written about it being a type of astronomical measuring tool with a light at the tip. This would explain why it looks like a torch and has markings on the side.
I am personally not convinced that any of these folios refer to the study of human anatomy. I'm not sure what you mean with the people-fish homo erectus cross breeding but it sounds intriguing
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Another possible interpretation of the larger object, held horizontally, is that it's a loaded spindle.
RE: f80r top nymphs - Koen G - 20-09-2016
JKP- possibly, but look at the images Wladimir posted. There is one version of this object where it is extended, with spike at the end, and another where it is held behind the back, without spike.
If this were a full spindle, the only option I see is that it got broken and hence hidden behind the back, which would imply some serious narrative thread (no pun intended) throughout the folios. If we see it as a torch or Diane's measuring device, we could read them as an active and a disabled version respectively.
RE: f80r top nymphs - Wladimir D - 20-09-2016
JKP/ Then the path of black dots is safety pins for fixing the thread?
Photo: Bronze safety pins Koban culture.
In the form in which we know them, the safety pins began to produce in the late 15th century.
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Certainly Koen - this valiant (in Dutch). Guilty the double translation of Google.
RE: f80r top nymphs - Wladimir D - 22-01-2018
It's very likely that under the bend of the bifolio 77-82 is not only the extension of the hand and hair (Rene said this, but I did not find the message), but also one more "spindle".
RE: f80r top nymphs - -JKP- - 22-01-2018
Rather than being a uterus, what about it maybe being an afterbirth?
RE: f80r top nymphs - Koen G - 22-01-2018
Well spotted, Wladimir. It's also interesting when you compare some of the 'spinning' ladies' hair. It's like they are spinning their own hair (remember that a spindle is used to twist loose fibres into threads). Note that in both the middle and right nymph, their hair is explicitly connected to the spindle.
I'd certainly like to see what's under that fold, and if it's a spindle, which type.
RE: f80r top nymphs - ReneZ - 22-01-2018
I am fairly sure that what you are seeing there is the hole in the parchment with the thread of the binding going through.
RE: f80r top nymphs - Bluetoes101 - 04-03-2018
Sorry if this has been said before but I thought this image showed a male wearing a towel leading a female with her hands crossed behind her back, tied. I thought this clearly depicted a slave and slave owner, the object "in hands" I think is just something on the end of her hair. Interestingly I noted a lot of women having hands behind backs, which is obviously not natural.. unless they had a fancier look about them, but I guess that's another post.
RE: f80r top nymphs - -JKP- - 04-03-2018
Bluetoes, you should look at Koen's interpretation of this imagery. The object behind her back resembles a spindle and Koen found a literary parallel that might explain the entire sequence.
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