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RE: copy of an older, barely legible manuscript? - ololololo - 23-06-2026

(23-06-2026, 03:28 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(23-06-2026, 01:26 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Your example with qotshy dytshy gotshy qoky 
Sorry, which post are you replying to?
To @JoJo_Jost's post on the third page.

RE: copy of an older, barely legible manuscript? - JoJo_Jost - 23-06-2026

I've since changed my mind; as I explained using VBM, these repetitions can be converted into clear sentences...

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RE: copy of an older, barely legible manuscript? - ololololo - 11-07-2026

Interesting article in Russian: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. It claims that VMS may be a copy of an Old Aramaic book.
This is somewhat intertwined with my idea that You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., as the most similar letters of the Aramaic alphabet are matched.

But I don't believe it...

RE: copy of an older, barely legible manuscript? - Pointless.. - 15-07-2026

(31-10-2025, 03:24 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I already gave one: it would be insane for anyone to write anything directly from one's head onto vellum, considering how expensive vellum was, and how hard it is to correct errors.

Another evidence for the Scribe copying from a draft is the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..  
Yes!  And that is another good argument for the book having started as a paper draft.  Because writing those small letters with fine pen on those small pages was a task that required non-trivial care and skill, hence was better left to a "professional" Scribe.  

There is also the possibility that the manuscript was written and encoded using a plaintext family book as the source. I have contemplated the hypothesis that the VMS represents a ciphered version of a pre-existing, plaintext family or guild archive. If a sudden turn in the legal or ecclesiastical climate rendered their traditional plaintext books and archives dangerous, encryption would have been a necessary protective measure to safeguard sensitive intellectual property from the prying eyes of inquisitorial or state authorities.
If the scribes were part of the family or the guild, they material was possibly already familiar to them so encoding should have been easier.

So yes, they would never had committed to vellum without a source text ready.

RE: copy of an older, barely legible manuscript? - eggyk - 16-07-2026

(11-07-2026, 11:35 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Interesting article in Russian: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. It claims that VMS may be a copy of an Old Aramaic book.

That article is quite funny.

"f.72v2 – sisters (19 people), inner circle – 12 people; there is only one sister in the barrel (elder?); in the center is the abbess of the monastery with a beret (Pagana?) on head. Her name is written, not in the language of the main text of the book (in Arabic?)."
   

I think they'll find that's the month of september, not an arabic name.  Smile

RE: copy of an older, barely legible manuscript? - ololololo - 16-07-2026

(16-07-2026, 04:04 PM)eggyk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(11-07-2026, 11:35 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Interesting article in Russian: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. It claims that VMS may be a copy of an Old Aramaic book.

That article is quite funny.

"f.72v2 – sisters (19 people), inner circle – 12 people; there is only one sister in the barrel (elder?); in the center is the abbess of the monastery with a beret (Pagana?) on head. Her name is written, not in the language of the main text of the book (in Arabic?)."


I think they'll find that's the month of september, not an arabic name.  Smile
The only useful information in it is a comparison with Slavic manuscripts and a comparison with the Aramaic alphabet. This is a classic analysis by someone who doesn't understand anything but wants to pretend that they do.
Nevertheless, it is interesting that VMS is a poor copy of a text in another existing language. This may be related to the Chinese theory, where the author may not have dictated anything and instead attempted to translate the characters directly. This could explain the perceived complexity of his "system" (each character requires writing tones, pronunciation details, etc.).

RE: copy of an older, barely legible manuscript? - JoJo_Jost - 17-07-2026

Could you maybe start a new thread for this posts?

1. Your posts are off-topic; that's not allowed Angel
2. I'd like to emphasize again that I've demonstrated in VBM that such repetitions can be a form of language. Wink

RE: copy of an older, barely legible manuscript? - JoJo_Jost - 19-07-2026

Now I've even posted my latest message here in the old thread instead of in the Bavarian one.

I've moved it to the right one: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.