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RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - Ruby Novacna - 26-04-2022
(26-04-2022, 11:31 AM)Juan_Sali Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There are several arguments that point to AIIN as a unique symbol m:The easiest way to answer would be to choose some words containing aiin and give the different readings. Try to do this and we'll know soon enough.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - cvetkakocj@rogers.com - 26-04-2022
(26-04-2022, 01:12 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(26-04-2022, 11:31 AM)Juan_Sali Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There are several arguments that point to AIIN as a unique symbol m:The easiest way to answer would be to choose some words containing aiin and give the different readings. Try to do this and we'll know soon enough.
I can offer you my explanation how minims work for the Slovenian language, based on the early 15th century Slovenian writing in Latin.
Because the separation of individual minims is unclear, and the space is not always reliable, some (or a lot) of knowledge of language is required to understand the words from the context. From the prefixes, suffixes, the preposition, etc. it is possible to recognize many Slovenian words, however, other transcription alphabets might generate some other words. Particularly revealing are the suffixes -am, im, -um, -dam most often indicating verbs in 1. person singular. The suffixes -iv, iw, iiv (jiv) are characteristic for Slovenian verbs (singular, masculine, past, future tense, or conditional mood) , as well for adjectives, along with suffixes - in, an, en...
The reading of minims is difficult even for the native Slovenians, because the letters were used for different sound as they are today, and some different letters were used. The Stična Codex, created in Stična monastery by a Czeck monk, has been officially transcribed and translated by Slovenian scholars. It could give some understanding how minims were used.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - Juan_Sali - 26-04-2022
(26-04-2022, 05:31 PM)cvetkakocj@rogers.com Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.All the samples that you offer for minims are preceded by A, almost all or all the minins in the VM are preceded by A. Do you have an explanation for it? It is common is slovenian that all minins are preceded by A and only by A?.(26-04-2022, 01:12 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(26-04-2022, 11:31 AM)Juan_Sali Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There are several arguments that point to AIIN as a unique symbol m:The easiest way to answer would be to choose some words containing aiin and give the different readings. Try to do this and we'll know soon enough.
I can offer you my explanation how minims work for the Slovenian language, based on the early 15th century Slovenian writing in Latin.
Because the separation of individual minims is unclear, and the space is not always reliable, some (or a lot) of knowledge of language is required to understand the words from the context. From the prefixes, suffixes, the preposition, etc. it is possible to recognize many Slovenian words, however, other transcription alphabets might generate some other words. Particularly revealing are the suffixes -am, im, -um, -dam most often indicating verbs in 1. person singular. The suffixes -iv, iw, iiv (jiv) are characteristic for Slovenian verbs (singular, masculine, past, future tense, or conditional mood) , as well for adjectives, along with suffixes - in, an, en...
The reading of minims is difficult even for the native Slovenians, because the letters were used for different sound as they are today, and some different letters were used. The Stična Codex, created in Stična monastery by a Czeck monk, has been officially transcribed and translated by Slovenian scholars. It could give some understanding how minims were used.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - Ruby Novacna - 26-04-2022
(26-04-2022, 05:31 PM)cvetkakocj@rogers.com Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The Stična Codex, created in Stična monastery by a Czeck monkThank you Cvetka! I would like to know if you quoted some of Voynich's words, I'm not sure if I understood your images correctly.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - cvetkakocj@rogers.com - 26-04-2022
(26-04-2022, 06:48 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(26-04-2022, 05:31 PM)cvetkakocj@rogers.com Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The Stična Codex, created in Stična monastery by a Czeck monkThank you Cvetka! I would like to know if you quoted some of Voynich's words, I'm not sure if I understood your images correctly.
The individual words on the second picture are all taken from Voynich, and the words are read and translated by me. Most of the words are still in use in dialects, but the grammatical endings are still the same in contemporary Slovenian. As you can see, the proper transcription is important for translation, and proper transcription cannot always be made from the text alone. Just try to transcribe the uncoloured part of the Stična Codex page and you will see if you get it right.
And this minims are much better than some others. Look at the minims in some German text. You would need to know some German words to read them.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - Ruby Novacna - 26-04-2022
(26-04-2022, 07:13 PM)cvetkakocj@rogers.com Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The individual words on the second picture are all taken from Voynich, and the words are read and translated by me.Cvetka, can you write these words on your keyboard, please, not in image format?
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - cvetkakocj@rogers.com - 27-04-2022
(26-04-2022, 07:23 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(26-04-2022, 07:13 PM)cvetkakocj@rogers.com Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The individual words on the second picture are all taken from Voynich, and the words are read and translated by me.Cvetka, can you write these words on your keyboard, please, not in image format?
I hope I will do this right. I proposed various readings for Slovenian language, but I am sure others can read it in their languages and get different words.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - Aga Tentakulus - 27-04-2022
To the contribution 40 -picture. For those who don't understand.
It really is a German dialect and can just be read and understood by me.
written excerpt:
"und wollen wir der Vergangenheit erst durch ...."
"and do we want to face the past first through ...."
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - Ruby Novacna - 27-04-2022
(27-04-2022, 12:36 AM)cvetkakocj@rogers.com Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I proposed various readings for Slovenian language
Thanks, Cvetka!
I looked at your word file and saw that your reading of aiin and daiin is sometimes different.
Have you managed to read a whole sentence yet?
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - Ruby Novacna - 27-04-2022
(27-04-2022, 01:40 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view."und wollen wir der Vergangenheit erst durch ...."Can you please specify to which line/page this corresponds?