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RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - R. Sale - 25-04-2022
I would call those examples VMs vords. As a more significant segment, I am thinking of a short paragraph, half a dozen lines, a specific, circular segment or collection of VMs text, a "recipe", even a page from the botanical section. It needs to be long enough that a 'sensible' context can (hopefully) be developed.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - Ruby Novacna - 25-04-2022
(25-04-2022, 09:08 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It needs to be long enoughThis is everyone's wish, but forcing translation when it doesn't come, just to fill the whole paragraph, is likely to do more harm than good.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - Ruby Novacna - 25-04-2022
(25-04-2022, 01:52 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Too much work and I'm also lazy about writing.Wordpress is easy to use and it automatically shares your posts on facebook.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - R. Sale - 25-04-2022
IMO, there needs to be enough of a linguistic segment to establish context - to say something that makes sense, rather than just a sequence of unrelated vords. The existence of context will serve as a check on any proposed translation.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - cvetkakocj@rogers.com - 25-04-2022
(25-04-2022, 01:47 PM)Juan_Sali Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.My hypothesis is that the text is a code of glyph/ghyphs to letter, a letter can be a single ghyp, a bigram or a 3-gram.IIN in the word DAIIN can be read as one letter, or as different letters. Dr. Bax pointed out that minims in different combinations can be read as 14 different characters.
Before trying to understand words I try to understand how the code was built.
Initially, I read it as 'm', because that felt most natural for me, being used to Latin cursive writing. This works really well for Slovenian language, where the word DAM (I give) is one of the most frequently used words, particularly for the first person writing. The letter M has three minims, the last one with a flourish.
The two minims can be read as N. This, too, works well for Slovenian language, since DAN means 'a day', 'daylight' and adjective 'given'.
A single final minim with a flourish can be read as V.
DAIIIN - red as DAIM means Slovenian phonetic DAJM (I give continuously); if read as DANU, it can mean given (neutral gender).
The 8-shaped D was used in many 15th century European manuscripts, and 'm' was often used with flourish up over one, two, or three minims.
As to the question of DAR, in Slovenian it means 'gift', 'offering'. The word DAR can often be found before or after the word DAM (DAIIN), due to a flexible word order. The words DAR DAM can be translated as 'gift I give'
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - Ruby Novacna - 26-04-2022
(25-04-2022, 11:21 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The existence of context will serve as a check on any proposed translationGood things come to those who wait.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - ReneZ - 26-04-2022
(25-04-2022, 02:12 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.if they are proven to be wrong, that will allow others not to make the same mistakes
I know what you are saying, but unfortunately, things don't work this way.
The majority of people are just too lazy to read up on the matter sufficiently. (Thank God for the exceptions!!)
Then, there are quite a few people who believe that everything that has been written is best ignored anyway, for several quite interesting reasons.
In summary: just do what you enjoy doing, and no justification is needed
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - Ruby Novacna - 26-04-2022
(26-04-2022, 01:32 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.just do what you enjoy doing, and no justification is neededRene, you've managed to sum up all my thoughts in one sentence!
The key word in amateur work must be joy, the justifications will come (or not) later.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - Juan_Sali - 26-04-2022
(25-04-2022, 11:56 PM)cvetkakocj@rogers.com Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.IIN in the word DAIIN can be read as one letter, or as different letters. Dr. Bax pointed out that minims in different combinations can be read as 14 different characters.There are sevetal arguments that point to AIIN as a unique symbol m:
m can be written is several ways, with or without the flourish start and end. That would explain the apparent differences.
When it is decomposed in several glyphs it is difficult to read, nobody has proposed an undubted way to read them without ambiguity. There is no logic in the use of symbols with such a level of ambiguity.
The number of AIIN in the text is too high compared with any other 4-gram. The % of AIIN preceded by D compared with the non preceded by D is high. II is almost always acompanied by the starting A or ending N.
There is an analisys that could be done by experts in handwritting.: the a, like the o, nowadays in handwritting is written counter clockwise. The m is written from the left to the right in a unique stroke. The A of the AIIN and the A in other parts of the text not included in AIIN are written in the same way? If they are not it would be an indication that AIIN is just an m.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - bi3mw - 26-04-2022
(26-04-2022, 01:32 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Then, there are quite a few people who believe that everything that has been written is best ignored anyway, for several quite interesting reasons.
I must admit that I can sometimes understand these people. It is almost an art to distinguish carefully elaborated, well-founded papers from irrelevant thesis papers. It's not as if abstruse theories have no scope, and that goes for written elaborations as well. It can take a lot of time and effort to work through such papers, only to find that one is dealing with wild speculation and false conclusions. There are plenty of examples of this. Over time, a kind of "data ballast" accumulates in the mind and a kind of longing arises to deal with the VMS "from scratch", free of all kinds of theories.