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RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 06-09-2026

(06-09-2026, 04:31 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Your translator is messier (sloppier?) than most
   
He really thinks so.
(06-09-2026, 04:17 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.what do you define as flexible or inflexible;
Flexibility for me is something that I mentioned earlier. ol together are one letter for some reason, although I can clearly see that the o and l parts are not connected.
(06-09-2026, 04:17 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.why do you want to replace `ar`;
Matching ar = s will not give me the results I need. More precisely, it will, but not always. To get what I want, I will have to enter the second match ar = the desired letter.
Again, the analogy with ol is that it will give you more desired results. Smile
(06-09-2026, 04:17 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.otherwise, what exactly would it contradict?
Because the result is a contradictory model, where one letter will be assigned 10 values.
(06-09-2026, 04:17 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Which language doesn't have this (which?) restriction?
I didn't mean languages, but language theories. The freedom of transliteration is that one letter can have different meanings in different places. That is, freely fitting the word from the VMS to the desired one.
(06-09-2026, 04:31 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Google translate translates it as helianthus... technically correct but:
It's strange that you took this example seriously. It's contradictory in itself, and there's no need to remember where the sunflower grows Big Grin

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 06-09-2026

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RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 06-09-2026

(06-09-2026, 08:28 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
All right. It's a Helianthus. No one is arguing with this.
But if it wasn't for Messier, the example wouldn't have happened... 
My goal was to show an incorrect translation. I used the wrong option right away, without looking back, as I was picking up the letter matches without looking back.

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 06-09-2026

(06-09-2026, 08:30 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(06-09-2026, 08:28 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
All right. It's a Helianthus. No one is arguing with this.
But if it wasn't for Messier, the example wouldn't have happened... 
My goal was to show an incorrect translation. I used the wrong option right away, without looking back, as I was picking up the letter matches without looking back.

I'm not interested in sunflowers, I'm interested in good tools and I think this site is a good tool.

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 07-09-2026

Words qolch-
In this post I will examine eight words beginning with qolch-:
  1. qolchedar (1),
  2. qolchedy (11),
  3. qolcheedy (2),
  4. qolcheey (2),
  5. qolcheol (2),
  6. qolcheor (1),
  7. qolchey (11),
  8. qolchy (2).
I read qolch- as dak- and I consider that all these words are related and come from the verb δάκνω – to bite:
  1. qolchy – dak9 – δάκος – animal of which the bite is dangerous, noxious beast; bite, sting;
  2. qolcheor/ qolchey/ qolcheey – dakior/ -i9/ -u9 – δάκεος, gen of δάκος;
  3. qolcheol – dakioi(a) – δάκεᾰ/ δάκεα, pl nom/ acc of δάκος or δάκια – small bird or animal (Hesychius);
  4. qolchedy/ qolcheedy – daki89/ -u89 – δακέτης (Byz) – the biting beasts, venomous serpents or δάκετος – bite, sting;
  5. qolchedar – daki8ar – δακέτας (Byz), acc pl of δακέτης.


RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 10-09-2026

Word podkor
For the single word podkor of 106v.40 I had already proposed the reading You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
[Image: podkor.jpg]
This is a rare syncopated form of the word ποτνιος*, masculine, also rare, from πότνια, ἡ, the feminine adjective, meaning august, holy, sacred, venerable, epithet of goddesses; also used when speaking of an elderly woman; by extension when speaking of personified things such as the earth, the night, modesty, etc.
However, if we read k EVA as m, the word would be πότμος – that which befalls one, lot, destiny; in Homer always of evil destiny, especially of death of the killer. After Homer without a sense of evil, fate, destiny, in general, also personified Destiny.
If podkor is ποτνος, should it be read together with the following word, ποτνος otedy – august otedy?
And if podkor is πότμος, is it linked, on the contrary, to the preceding word, tcheodar πότμος – the destiny of tcheodar?

* Thomas Morell, Thesaurus Graecae poeseōs,… 1762

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 14-09-2026

Words ochd-
Two words in the manuscript begin with ochd-: ochdy of f24v.15 and ochdor of the spiral of a rosette <fRos.36,@Cc>.
[Image: ochdy-24v-15.jpg][Image: ochdor-rosettes.jpg]
These words can be related and transcribe several Greek words.
Word ochdor :
  • ὄγδοος, η, ον – eighth;
  • ὄχθος, ὁ – eminence, bank, hill; tomb, mound; tubercle in leprosy; tubercle on plants.
Word ochdy :
  • ὄγδοος ;
  • ὀκτάς, ἡ – the number eight; body of eight men;
  • ὄχθος ;
  • ὄχθη, ἡ – older form of ὄχθος, any height or rising ground, natural or artificial, bank, dyke by the side of a river.