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RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 31-08-2026

(31-08-2026, 05:34 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(31-08-2026, 05:07 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(31-08-2026, 10:52 AM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(31-08-2026, 09:43 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.At that time I read EVA l as a consonant and EVA ch as a vowel, currently I am trying to do the opposite: ik89
Is such freedom acceptable even within the framework of an experiment?

In my place, would you have given up if your first proposal didn't get you very far?
It’s very easy to get the desired results by constantly changing your conclusions about the letters.

Are you sure it's really easy?
I haven't yet seen an advanced translation done by anyone, despite its apparent ease.

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 31-08-2026

(31-08-2026, 07:23 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Are you sure it's really easy?
Yes, I’m sure it’s simple. 
No one is stopping me from assuming that VMS is Old Berber, creating an alphabet at random to replace EVA, and then changing it to my liking whenever I need to... But I won't do it.
Also, your approach, in essence, is not very successful. It doesn’t bring you any closer to translating the manuscript. You simply translate individual words as if they were detached from the text.
By the way, you say you’re more interested in Currier B. Please tell me, how would the following excerpt sound in Greek:
qokedy dy sheety qokeedy qokeedy qokechdy lol
qokeedy qokeedy qokedy qokedy qokeedy ldy

I’m sorry for such a complex example, but nevertheless, I believe that with such confidence you should have some comments on this matter.

(31-08-2026, 07:23 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I haven't yet seen an advanced translation done by anyone, despite its apparent ease.
I immediately remember the name “Gerard Cheshire”...
Nevertheless, in your case, the concept of a “successful result” is rather subjective. Are multiple options for a single word that is not related to the text considered success?

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 01-09-2026

(31-08-2026, 07:42 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....your approach, in essence, is not very successful. It doesn’t bring you any closer to translating the manuscript. You simply translate individual words as if they were detached from the text.

Are you conveying new information?
I am aware that my results are not perfect, but I share them anyway.

(31-08-2026, 07:42 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I immediately remember the name “Gerard Cheshire”...

You mention Gerard Cheshire's name quite often; I don't understand exactly why. 
Cheshire doesn't assign the same phonetic values to the Voynich glyphs as I do, so why make comparisons?
And I don't think he managed to translate the entire text.

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 01-09-2026

(01-09-2026, 04:26 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I am aware that my results are not perfect, but I share them anyway.
Oh, don’t get me wrong! I’m not telling you not to do what you’re doing.
I don’t want to spoil your mood or “destroy” your theory with these questions.
I just want to understand your theory better and, perhaps, make it a little better  Rolleyes
(01-09-2026, 04:26 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You mention Gerard Cheshire's name quite often; I don't understand exactly why.
Firstly, his proto‑Romanic theory was of a linguistic nature, meaning that, in a sense, he is your "colleague".
Secondly, for me personally, it is the pinnacle of all linguistic theories. His approach is no different from others — you take a word, translate it in your own way, and find similarities. 
The only thing is that you do this with Greek. Others do it with their own languages.
And let’s not forget about Cheshire’s “success” in his theory Big Grin 
(01-09-2026, 04:26 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And I don't think he managed to translate the entire text.
As far as I remember, he translated both the signatures (like you) and some excerpts from the text.

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 03-09-2026

Word EVA cheeaiin
There are two occurrences of the word EVA cheeaiin in the manuscript, on pages 83v and 86v6.
[Image: cheeaiin-83v.jpg] [Image: cheeaiin-86v6.jpg]
This word can be read as kuaun and corresponds to two forms: κυων and χειων.
While χειῶν, the plural genitive of χειά, has only one meaning, lair of a wild beast, particularly a hole where snakes hide, the word κυων has several.
Word κύων, ὁ and ἡ :
  • dog, bitch; of shepherds’ dogs; when of hounds, mostly in fem; watch-dogs;
  • as a word of reproach;
  • metaph., of persons, watch-dog, guardian;
  • of the Cynics;
  • in Mythology of the servants, agents or watchers of the gods;
  • dog-fish or shark;
  • = σείριος, dog-star, i.e. the hound of Orion;
  • the ace, the worst throw at dice;
  • frenum praeputii;
  • fetlock of a horse;
  • unilateral facial paralysis;
  • =ἀπομαγδαλία – the crumb or inside of the loaf, on which the Greeks wiped their hands at dinner, and then threw it to the dogs: hence, dog’s meat;
  • =κυνόσβατος – whiterose, Rosa sempervirens ;
  • piece in the game of πόλεις.
Word κυῶν :
  • pl gen of κύος = κύημα – that which is conceived, embryo, fœtus; in Botany, that which is swollen as the result of growth, e.g. base of flower-head;
  • part pres of κύω/κυέω – in pres. and impf., of females, conceive; to be pregnant with; Pass., of the embryo or foetus, to be borne in the womb; in aor. of the male, impregnate; in Botany, produce flowers.
Another source of variation may be the transcription itself: the word cheeaiin on page 83v makes me think more of cheeoiin, that is, κυουν.
The word κυοῦν is the present participle or 1st sg/ 3rd pl imperfect of κυέω.
Could this be a sign that, among several possible meanings, we must choose the verb?

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 05-09-2026

I read your thread about how You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. Impressive.
This could be a plus in favor of your theory, but for now I still can’t understand how the VMS text is related to Greek. Your transformations don’t look like a cipher, and the comparison with letters is sometimes ambiguous.

And I see a small nuance here... Although you translated it as scammony, you have an illustration in front of your eyes depicting a plant that looks similar to it. One could first see the similarity to the scammony, and then confirm it using one’s own theory. This isn’t a reproach, but I just want to remind you that in such cases there’s room for bias.

I can do something similar. Let’s assume that Voynichese is encrypted Latin. Let’s take f33r. The first words of the page are tarar daiin. The Latin name for the sunflower (according to the translator) is Messier. We can see that there are coincidences: Messier and tarar daiin. We acknowledge that i and n are the same letters and are equal to e. The letters m, i, and r remain undeciphered; in theory, they should correspond to the letters t, d, and ai.

What am I getting at? The point is that the entire analysis is not focused on deciphering, but on finding similarities with a specific word.

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 06-09-2026

(05-09-2026, 02:54 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I can do something similar. 
  1. Let’s assume that Voynichese is encrypted Latin. 
  2. Let’s take f33r. 
  3. The first words of the page are tarar daiin. 
  4. The Latin name for the sunflower (according to the translator) is Messier. 
  5. We can see that there are coincidences: Messier and tarar daiin. 
  6. We acknowledge that i and n are the same letters and are equal to e. 
  7. The letters m, i, and r remain undeciphered; 
  8. in theory, they should correspond to the letters t, d, and ai.
What am I getting at? The point is that the entire analysis is not focused on deciphering, but on finding similarities with a specific word.

You've described quite well the method that I think all substitution researchers use in their work.
You're just missing the description of the next step: applying your findings to other words in the manuscript to see how many words conform to your rules—10, 100, 1000, 10,000? (Just kidding, there are fewer than 8,000 words in total.)

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 06-09-2026

(06-09-2026, 08:47 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You're just missing the description of the next step: applying your findings to other words in the manuscript to see how many words conform to your rules—10, 100, 1000, 10,000?
The nuance of the method I described is that, by definition, it cannot be flexible, and I can’t simply replace ar with another letter in the place I need, because that would be a contradiction.
In the case of language, there are no such restrictions.

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 06-09-2026

(06-09-2026, 09:54 AM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The nuance of the method I described is that,
  1.  by definition, it cannot be flexible,
  2.  and I can’t simply replace ar with another letter in the place I need, 
  3. because that would be a contradiction.
  4. In the case of language, there are no such restrictions.

I don't quite understand:
  1. what do you define as flexible or inflexible;
  2. why do you want to replace `ar`;
  3. otherwise, what exactly would it contradict?
  4. Which language doesn't have this (which?) restriction?


RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - nablator - 06-09-2026

(05-09-2026, 02:54 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I can do something similar. 
  1. Let’s assume that Voynichese is encrypted Latin. 
  2. Let’s take f33r. 
  3. The first words of the page are tarar daiin. 
  4. The Latin name for the sunflower (according to the translator) is Messier. 

Your translator is messier (sloppier?) than most. Also you mean f33v.

Google translate translates it as helianthus... technically correct but:

Quote:The species of Helianthus are native to North America.
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