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RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 18-08-2026
If anything, I’m responding to @eggyk. The quick reply function is gone somewhere, and I’m too lazy to copy the template right now.
You’re saying that k = m (in the sense that they’re similar), and m = μ (in the sense that they’re similar in sound), then k = μ
Then p = p (sense-similar), p = pi (sound-similar), then p = pi. And l = γ (sense-similar), γ = g, then l = g. Ruby knows why I’m thinking about EVA l again
One way or another, you equate the letters VMS with their Greek counterparts through correspondence with Latin letters. This doesn’t work... In the case of Voynichese, that’s for sure.
If you don’t believe me, then prove where I’m wrong: EVA b = b = beta; EVA e = c = Russian ц(!). And EVA in and EVA q is equal to this signs (This is the Cherokee script):
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - eggyk - 19-08-2026
(18-08-2026, 11:23 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If anything, I’m responding to @eggyk. The quick reply function is gone somewhere, and I’m too lazy to copy the template right now.
You’re saying that k = m (in the sense that they’re similar), and m = μ (in the sense that they’re similar in sound), then k = μ
I'm saying that is what is being asserted. I don't think that it is the case.
(18-08-2026, 11:23 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.One way or another, you equate the letters VMS with their Greek counterparts through correspondence with Latin letters. This doesn’t work... In the case of Voynichese, that’s for sure.
You mean that it doesn't work for consistently decoding voynichese, or you mean you can't equate greek letters with latin letters? Surely the latter is easily possible, ololololo (or should i say ολολολολο).
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Oscroft - 19-08-2026
(18-08-2026, 10:53 PM)eggyk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The assertion is that EVA "k" looks like latin "m" somehow. Then, seperately, that a latin "m" corresponds to the same sound as greek μ. Therefore, whether EVA "k" looks like μ or not is irrelevant to the point.
I wasn't saying that's a fact, I was saying that is the assertion.
Exactly, I agree with you.
I also add that whether Latin "m" corresponds with μ or not is also irrelevant. In fact, trying to match anything EVA with anything Latin (or Greek or whatever) based on what it looks like (or what someone might think it sounds like) is pointless.
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 19-08-2026
Sorry, @eggyk, I guess I didn’t understand you.
This approach doesn’t work for either of them.
To decode Voynichese, the mere statement that these are words in Greek is not enough. You can see for yourself from this thread — Ruby doesn’t get a clear translation; she looks for similar words, and there are always quite a few of them for a single word.
It’s possible to equate Latin letters with Greek ones (and my nickname can be written that way too
), but Latin can also be confidently equated with the Cyrillic alphabet, and it can be proven that VMS is written in Proto‑Slavic. Equalization alone is not enough.
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Oscroft - 19-08-2026
(19-08-2026, 10:16 AM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It’s possible to equate Latin letters with Greek ones (and my nickname can be written that way too
And the key point behind all of this is that comparisons with real-world letters can only make sense comparing the original Voynichese letters themselves... not with EVA or any other intermediate codification.
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 19-08-2026
(19-08-2026, 12:53 PM)Oscroft Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And the key point behind all of this is that comparisons with real-world letters can only make sense comparing the original Voynichese letters themselves... not with EVA or any other intermediate codification.
And what exactly do you mean by "original Voynichese letters"?
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Oscroft - 19-08-2026
(19-08-2026, 02:48 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(19-08-2026, 12:53 PM)Oscroft Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And the key point behind all of this is that comparisons with real-world letters can only make sense comparing the original Voynichese letters themselves... not with EVA or any other intermediate codification.
And what exactly do you mean by "original Voynichese letters"?
The letters written on the Voynich manuscript.
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 19-08-2026
(19-08-2026, 04:42 PM)Oscroft Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(19-08-2026, 02:48 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(19-08-2026, 12:53 PM)Oscroft Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And the key point behind all of this is that comparisons with real-world letters can only make sense comparing the original Voynichese letters themselves... not with EVA or any other intermediate codification.
And what exactly do you mean by "original Voynichese letters"?
The letters written on the Voynich manuscript.
The "letters" of the manuscript have been given nicknames by the transliterators. Furthermore, EVA is not the only alphabet used for transliterating the VM.
If you want to know what the letter in the manuscript, nicknamed "k" in EVA, looks like, it's very easy: the transliteration file, available online, will guide you.
Then, it's up to you to decide what name you will give this "letter."
Is it a letter, a syllable, a numeral, a scientific symbol?
The choice is yours.
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Oscroft - 19-08-2026
(19-08-2026, 06:21 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The "letters" of the manuscript have been given nicknames by the transliterators. Furthermore, EVA is not the only alphabet used for transliterating the VM.
If you want to know what the letter in the manuscript, nicknamed "k" in EVA, looks like, it's very easy: the transliteration file, available online, will guide you.
Then, it's up to you to decide what name you will give this "letter."
Is it a letter, a syllable, a numeral, a scientific symbol?
The choice is yours.
I'm not interested in arguing with you. I've tried to explain a fundamental mistake you are making. But if you can't understand, or don't want to know, I'm sorry but I can offer no further help.
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 19-08-2026
(19-08-2026, 09:03 PM)Oscroft Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm not interested in arguing with you. I've tried to explain a fundamental mistake you are making. But if you can't understand, or don't want to know, I'm sorry but I can offer no further help.
Thank you for trying.
You'll surely find someone else to teach, someone more receptive to your opinions.