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RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 16-08-2026
(15-08-2026, 10:42 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And what exactly do you find incompatible?I myself also tried to find correspondences between the Voynich script and the Greek alphabet even before registering on this forum. I didn’t come to any conclusion.
I find it incompatible (rather illogical than incompatible) to search for similarities without any analysis or justification for this search. That is, if you say that Voynichese is Greek/resembles Greek/might be related to Greek, mere similarities and checks of hapax prove nothing.
It’s not that you’re some kind of poor analyst or translator, but that you can find a lot of similarities. For example, let’s break down the word teeodaiin:
teeo - Perhaps this is a distorted form of the prefix “theo-,” which is added to words related to religion: theology, theodicy, theophany.
daiin - If we assume that d = s, a = ei, and the final in is n, we get the wonderful German word “Sein” — the verb “to be.”
It turns out to be “theo-sein” — something like “divine being.”
Nevertheless, I find your analysis interesting (and useful for you, as it certainly reinforces your knowledge of Greek
), but meaningless. As far as I remember, in all your translations of words, you propose several possible translations without arriving at a single, definitive one. I hope, then, that you are familiar with a person such as Gerard Cheshire...
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 16-08-2026
(16-08-2026, 11:14 AM)Oscroft Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I found a word in a language that I can't enter on my keyboard, so I used a single substitution cipher (exactly what EVA is) to render it into the Roman alphabet.
The result is "psyoermos".
I never claimed to be a master of encryption and decryption; if you want to discuss the details, these are the details of the VM.
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 16-08-2026
(16-08-2026, 12:38 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Nevertheless, I find your analysis interesting (and useful for you, as it certainly reinforces your knowledge of Greek
First, I never claimed to be able to translate the entire text; I am, in fact, still trying, with great hope.
Second, I would like to understand the connection between my reading attempts and the name Gerard Cheshire, or someone else?
Third, I am still waiting for the words you promised in several languages. So far you have only provided four: three in Russian and one in German.
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 16-08-2026
For some reason, I can’t quote it, so I’ll do it point by point. Excuse me
1). You’re certainly doing a great job!
2). Cheshire was looking for words in European languages that were similar to his own transliteration. You only use EVA and look for similarities only in Greek.
3). f13r: torShor opchy Sholdy qopchy Shol opchor dypchy dchm
torShor - торшер (torchere)
opchy - апчи (the author sneezed and decided to write it down)
Sholdy - ходить? (to walk?)
qopchy - почти (pay tribune/almost)
Shol - шёл (walked)
opchor - ?
dypchy - дичь? дичать? (venison/run wild)
dchm - ?
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 16-08-2026
(16-08-2026, 01:56 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.For some reason, I can’t quote it, so I’ll do it point by point. Excuse meFirst, this is language A; I'm currently more interested in language B.
1). You’re certainly doing a great job!
2). Cheshire was looking for words in European languages that were similar to his own transliteration. You only use EVA and look for similarities only in Greek.
3). f13r: torShor opchy Sholdy qopchy Shol opchor dypchy dchm
torShor - торшер (torchere)
opchy - апчи (the author sneezed and decided to write it down)
Sholdy - ходить? (to walk?)
qopchy - почти (pay tribune/almost)
Shol - шёл (walked)
opchor - ?
dypchy - дичь? дичать? (venison/run wild)
dchm - ?
Second, you read sh as х and ш; is there a reason for that? If shol is шёл, then sholdy would be шёлди and not ходить?
Third, I don't personally publish words like апчи, otherwise I'd already be at 5000 words.
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 16-08-2026
Ruby Novacna Wrote:you read sh as х and шAn analogue of the pronunciation is l = lambda and ol = alpha.
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Oscroft - 16-08-2026
(16-08-2026, 11:25 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....let's go ahead and discuss it in detail!
I've already been making detailed points, and asking detailed direct questions, trying to start some discussion. But you've either casually dismissed or ignored every single thing I've said - just as I see you have done with other people throughout this thread.
If you choose to close your eyes and ears to anyone offering constructive feedback that disagrees with you, you are of course entirely free to do that. And I'll just say farewell and wish you luck with your endeavours.
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 16-08-2026
(16-08-2026, 04:10 PM)Oscroft Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(16-08-2026, 11:25 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....let's go ahead and discuss it in detail!
I've already been making detailed points, and asking detailed direct questions, trying to start some discussion. But you've either casually dismissed or ignored every single thing I've said - just as I see you have done with other people throughout this thread.
If you choose to close your eyes and ears to anyone offering constructive feedback that disagrees with you, you are of course entirely free to do that. And I'll just say farewell and wish you luck with your endeavours.
Thank you for your encouragement!
If you're not satisfied with my answers, don't get discouraged so quickly.
Rephrase your questions as simply as possible, without any ambiguity.
Please remember that there are three of us conversing: you, me, and Google Translate.
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Oscroft - 16-08-2026
(16-08-2026, 04:47 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thank you for your encouragement!
If you're not satisfied with my answers, don't get discouraged so quickly.
Rephrase your questions as simply as possible, without any ambiguity.
Please remember that there are three of us conversing: you, me, and Google Translate.
Maybe we're having communication problems through Google Translate, and I'm sorry for being a bit harsh if that's the case.
I really did make efforts to be as clear as I can, but when we're talking about technical things (with specific terminology), I honestly don't think I can simplify things any more. It does seem we can't have any meaningful conversations on this subject, so I'm not going to be able to help with any more feedback.
Good luck and best wishes.
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 17-08-2026
Word EVA kol,kechy
Ten years ago, I already tried to read the word kol,kechy of 1v.7 as the Greek word You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., adv. – wisely, prudently.
At that time, I read the combination «ol» as "ου". Currently I read it as « ολ », « οι » or « α ».
I’ve also changed my mind about «k», which I used to try to divide between « ν » and « μ » depending on the position of the horizontal bar.
However, examining a few words beginning You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. has shown that the horizontal bar might not be a reliable indicator, so both variants should be systematically tested.
So, if
k = ν, μ,
ol= ολ, οι, α,
e= ι, ε,
ch=γ, κ, χ,
y= η, ος, etc.,
the word can therefore be μᾰνῐκός, ή, όν – of or for madness, mad; generally, mad, extravagant; Adv. μᾰνῐκῶς; disposed to madness; frenzied, enthusiastic, inspired; causing madness.