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RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 14-08-2026
(13-08-2026, 12:02 PM)Oscroft Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....how can you go from a word in EVA (which implies no real-world letters/phonetics) to Greek (or any other real language)?Hi, Oscroft !
My shortest answer would be "in silence."
I'll think about a more elaborate answer.
In the meantime, please feel free to rephrase your question, because I don't quite understand it.
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 14-08-2026
(14-08-2026, 07:13 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What was meant was how to switch from a simple transliteration based on the principle of similar Latin letters to Greek words.(13-08-2026, 12:02 PM)Oscroft Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....how can you go from a word in EVA (which implies no real-world letters/phonetics) to Greek (or any other real language)?Hi, Oscroft !
My shortest answer would be "in silence."
I'll think about a more elaborate answer.
In the meantime, please feel free to rephrase your question, because I don't quite understand it.
We do not know how this word is read, and purely by EVA, one can't judge any "similarity" with Greek.
The same approach is followed by pseudo-solvers who translate words from EVA into their desired language. I call it the "EVA trap".
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 14-08-2026
(14-08-2026, 09:20 AM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What was meant was how to switch from a simple transliteration based on the principle of similar Latin letters to Greek words.
We do not know how this word is read, and purely by EVA, one can't judge any "similarity" with Greek.
The same approach is followed by pseudo-solvers who translate words from EVA into their desired language. I call it the "EVA trap".
Is there a law that forbids seeing similarities between Voynich's text and Greek?
I'll quote Wikipedia regarding Pontic Greek, for exemple: "Pontic, in Greece, is written in the Greek alphabet, with diacritics; in Turkey, is written in the Latin alphabet following Turkish conventions; in Russia, it is written in the Cyrillic alphabet."
Of course, we don't know for sure how Voynich's words should be read, but we can always make suggestions, can't we?
Several people have suggested languages of their choice, that's well known, but so far no one has managed to read the entire text.
So, trap or not, I'll continue to follow my intuition in my free time.
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 14-08-2026
(14-08-2026, 11:22 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Is there a law that forbids seeing similarities between Voynich's text and Greek?No, there is no such law. I haven’t made any claims against you regarding this.
The question is, what is the point of such an analysis?
You don’t analyze the similarity of letter forms, you don’t analyze the very nature of the Greek language in VMS (you just look for similar words. This doesn’t make sense of the words in Voynichese; you just find similar words).
I would understand if you had a version, like, oh, this is a special Greek steganography. But no, you’re just finding similar words. Do you know how many similar words I can find in Chinese, Russian, Sanskrit? Yes, probably even in ancient Egyptian.
I’m not forbidding you from doing what you’re doing. Nevertheless, it also has value. I’m just reminding you that statements of this kind can't prove that VMS was written in Greek. You’re only showing that some words look like Greek ones.
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 14-08-2026
(14-08-2026, 11:56 AM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Do you know how many similar words I can find in Chinese, Russian, Sanskrit? Yes, probably even in ancient Egyptian.
I’m not forbidding you from doing what you’re doing. Nevertheless, it also has value. I’m just reminding you that statements of this kind can't prove that VMS was written in Greek. You’re only showing that some words look like Greek ones.
Personally, I would be happy to read your suggestions for words in Chinese, Russian, Sanskrit, and other ancient Egyptian languages.
I'm not trying to prove to you personally that this is the Greek text.
I'm looking for similarities, and that's quite enough for me at the moment.
Feel free to explore more promising avenues in your research than mine.
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 14-08-2026
(14-08-2026, 07:33 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Personally, I would be happy to read your suggestions for words in Chinese, Russian, Sanskrit, and other ancient Egyptian languages.Well, as for Russian:
daiin - дать? даёт? (give? gives?)
podaiir - подарил (gave)
otaral - оторвал (to tear off)
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 14-08-2026
(14-08-2026, 08:46 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Well, as for Russian:
daiin - дать? даёт? (give? gives?)
podaiir - подарил (gave)
otaral - оторвал (to tear off)
That's perfect, three words already, all verbs, two of them in the past tense.
So daiin.otaral would be "дать оторвал" - give tore off ?
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 14-08-2026
(14-08-2026, 09:15 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Oh, probably gave it and tore it off (дал и оторвал). Or gave it and yelled (дал и орал)?(14-08-2026, 08:46 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Well, as for Russian:
daiin - дать? даёт? (give? gives?)
podaiir - подарил (gave)
otaral - оторвал (to tear off)
That's perfect, three words already, all verbs, two of them in the past tense.
So daiin.otaral would be "дать оторвал" - give tore off ?
Maybe: did he give it to tear it off (дал, чтобы оторвать)?
Of course, there’s no point, I’m not hiding that. But as you can see, my approach is the same — I analyze just a few words. You, on the other hand, mainly analyze hapax, so you can’t be blamed for meaninglessness, unlike in this example.
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Oscroft - 15-08-2026
(14-08-2026, 07:13 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In the meantime, please feel free to rephrase your question, because I don't quite understand it.
You suggest you see a similarity between the Voynichese word represented by keerodal/muro8ai in EVA and the Greek μυρωδία, and I'm just trying to understand what that similarity actually is. The only genuine similarity I can see is that muro8ai and μυρωδία have the same number of letters, but I assume you can see more than that - and I'd really just like to know what it is you see here?
I'd earlier suspected that you might be seeing a match between the m and u at the start of muro8ai with the mu and upsilon at the start of μυρωδία, which is why I made my comment on phonetics - as EVA m and u are purely arbitrary code choices and do not imply that the real Voynichese letters are in any way similar to m and u. (And I'm not suggesting you made that mistake, but plenty of others have - including someone here recently who said they'd compared the sound of Voynichese with modern languages, and even an academic a few years ago who claimed he'd worked out how to sing it
)PS: I just want to emphasise that I'm asking you this simply to try to understand how your Greek theory works and how you made the connection, not to suggest you're doing anything wrong by making suggestions.
RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Oscroft - 15-08-2026
(14-08-2026, 07:13 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi, Oscroft !
My shortest answer would be "in silence."
I'll think about a more elaborate answer.
In the meantime, please feel free to rephrase your question, because I don't quite understand it.
I've read a fair bit more of the thread now, and I've examined some of the previous similarities you say you've found. I don't want to get into too much discussion of specifics, but I feel I do need to ask one question...
Are you, in fact, making transliterated comparisons between EVA letters and Greek letters?