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RE: Foil14v- Acanthus Mollis Moravian Interpretation - BessAgritianin - 11-04-2026
(10-04-2026, 11:16 AM)Rafal wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.First of all, the mainstream view is that there is no such thing as Moravian language. Either you consider "Moravian" as a dialect of Czech or simply it was used in the past as an another name for Czech, just like "Bohemian".
You are right that standard linguistics classifies Moravian as a dialect group of Czech. My translation however uses words I found in Moravian dictionary, that do not appear in standard Czech dictionaries. For example :
"belina, 1. bylina, zvláště léčivá zelina (záp. Mor.)-Dielekt. Slovnik Moravsky "
The words like these are called "Moravismy"by the Czech lingusts- dialectal elements rooted in Moravian regional speech.
(10-04-2026, 11:16 AM)Rafal wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And there is just too much freedom in interpreting the signs. Yet, you still get words that don't exist in any language and are only minimally similar to Czech.
And you throw in words that are in other languages, for example "ili" is Russian, not Czech.
Could you provide exact sign reading where my interpretaion leads to contradiction or implausibility?
Historical writing systems have symbols with multiple possible readings. A simple example from English:
"C" can be read as "k" in "cat", as "SI" in "city as "TS" in "Cello".
I do not want to go in Latin or Egyptian since it will be tooo much research.
My system for reading produces meaningful text.
A general criticism like "too much freedom" without examples is a retreat to an generic objection, which cannot be accepted as serious.
For "ili" refer Ruby's answer.
RE: Foil14v- Acanthus Mollis Moravian Interpretation - Fabrizio Salani - 11-04-2026
(10-04-2026, 04:45 AM)BessAgritianin wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(09-04-2026, 12:40 PM)Rafal wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I tried using your alphabet for you examples.Thank you for this feedback!
It was not easy as you don't give interpretation for some signs and give several interpretations for another signs.
Would you agree that it is more or less correct?
The Alphabet is not complete since not all letters are to be found in this particular text.
For the double and tripple meaning of some Voynich symbols in my opinion this is the code of the document.
Example:
This symbol is to be found on numerous other places where the interpretation is "leh", "hl", but in this particular case it is "sk". And it is a great thank to Fabrizio's copy interpratation that I could identify it correctly. It has the meaning of "lisky" (note listy) is also possible.
Symbol "P" from VM is also possible to be interpreted as today's "p". "pr" or "f". For the other "Gallows" is the same.
There is some difference maybe in the writing of these symbols, but for the un-adept eye they look like similar.
For instance in cited symbol the tilde above the letter gives the answer how to read it .
Forgive me if I butt in, the translation of the Voynich manuscript as I have always said, is not my field (here I am more passive than active) but if I understand correctly, whoever created the parchment I found, did not intend to convert some glyphs into letters of the Latin alphabet, but Moravian?
RE: Foil14v- Acanthus Mollis Moravian Interpretation - BessAgritianin - 12-04-2026
RE: Foil14v- Acanthus Mollis Moravian Interpretation - TwilightMagnoliaStar - 17-04-2026
RE: Foil14v- Acanthus Mollis Moravian Interpretation - Ruby Novacna - 17-04-2026
(17-04-2026, 11:58 AM)TwilightMagnoliaStar wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Okay, so, this is completely unrelated, but. Where did you find that second excerpt??? That's not Voynich Manuscript codex. Did you find a second text???
Search for "Fabrizio Salani" !
My translation on f1r- Jamal the Beggar - BessAgritianin - 01-10-2026
I have translated this first foil in 2017 in Bulgarian language- row after row. But in English I have only translation of the content.
I apologize for the quality. My computers since then are changed three times, and the information I have tried to save is scarce.
Being my first translation - some parts maybe are not accurate. A feedback is welcome.
RE: My translation on f1r- Jamal the Beggar - RadioFM - 01-10-2026
Would you mind sharing the decrypted, untranslated, unprocessed Bulgarian and/or your decryption process?
RE: My translation on f1r- Jamal the Beggar - pjburkshire - 01-10-2026
You have to be able to explain the process so other researchers can replicate the work. Without other researchers replicating the work, it is not valid.
Just presenting words that you claim is a translation is not acceptable. You have to be able to explain the process for your work to be considered valid.
Anybody can write any words that they pull out of thin air and claim that the words are a translation. We have seen that many times. For a translation to be valid, it must include the process so other researchers can replicate it.
If you want to be taken seriously, you must explain the process. If you don't explain the process, you will be ignored by serious researchers.
Claims without proof is a cult. People looking to join a cult go to TikTok.
RE: My translation on f1r- Jamal the Beggar - Oscroft - 01-10-2026
(01-10-2026, 04:25 AM)BessAgritianin wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I have translated this first foil in 2017 in Bulgarian language- row after row. But in English I have only translation of the content.
I apologize for the quality. My computers since then are changed three times, and the information I have tried to save is scarce.
Being my first translation - some parts maybe are not accurate. A feedback is welcome.
Well, next time I need a healing for the breast-feeders, I'll be sure to rinse the rear parts!
Seriously though, as others have requested, please share your decryption/translation methodology.
RE: My translation on f1r- Jamal the Beggar - nablator - 01-10-2026
(01-10-2026, 04:53 AM)RadioFM wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Would you mind sharing the decrypted, untranslated, unprocessed Bulgarian and/or your decryption process?
The web page (2017) is still online but the images are gone. It was saved entirely (with the images) by the WayBack machine: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
The blog in English is: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.