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RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 31-07-2026

(31-07-2026, 09:33 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What glyph would you suggest for lambda?

The letter most similar to lambda is s, but it doesn't fit.
But the lambda can, by the way, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. But then ol is not alpha (although it sounds quite interesting).
Of course, it would be nice to eliminate this ambiguity...

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 02-08-2026

(31-07-2026, 09:52 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The letter most similar to lambda is s, but it doesn't fit.
But the lambda can, by the way, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. But then ol is not alpha (although it sounds quite interesting).
Of course, it would be nice to eliminate this ambiguity...

You can always make suggestions and test them.

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 02-08-2026

(02-08-2026, 12:35 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(31-07-2026, 09:52 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The letter most similar to lambda is s, but it doesn't fit.
But the lambda can, by the way, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. But then ol is not alpha (although it sounds quite interesting).
Of course, it would be nice to eliminate this ambiguity...
You can always make suggestions and test them.

Of course, thank you, but I think I'm less familiar with Greek than you are...

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 03-08-2026

Word EVA pydeey
The single word pydeey, from page 1r (A), was one of the first I wanted to understand.
I saw in this word (p98u9) a Slavic word пятыя – the fifth.
Today I will check if this word could transcribe some Greek words. Not surprisingly, I found several:

πητύας, gen sg/ acc pl of πητύα = πῑτύα = πυτία = πυετία – curdled milk obtained from an animal’s stomach, containing (and used as) rennet;
πιδηεις – rich in springs;
πῐτυΐς – pine-seed; pine-resin;
πίτυος, gen of πίτυς – pine;
πῐθείας = πιθίας – jar-shaped comet;
Πυθίας, gen of Πυθία – Pythia, priestess of Pythian Apollo at Delphi, who uttered the responses of the oracle;
Πύθῐος, α, ον – Pythian, i.e. Delphian, epithet of Apollo; =Πυθικός, ή, όν – of or for Pytho, Pythian.

At the moment I don’t know which meaning best fits the text.

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 05-08-2026

Word EVA salchedal
Can the single word salchedal from the Scorpius page (<f73r.5,@Cc> <!11:00>) be salchodae or σαλχαδάη [1] (σαλχοδάης/ σαλχαδάης)?
The word comes from Persian « …sål =annus and chodai = dominus, = κύριος τού ἔτος… » [2] – the Lord of the Year.
[Image: salchedal-73r-scorpius.jpg]

From Persian (Pahlavī), this astrological term passed into the Arabic language before being Hellenized in the form σαλχο(α)δάη(ς) in Byzantine texts.[3]
Lord of the Year or Master of Time, χρονοκράτωρ/ chronocrator, is a celestial body that dominates and governs a specific period of life or year. [4]
This term is very suitable, in my opinion, for our page.

References :

LBG
Catalogus codicum astrologorum graecorum, Volume 5, Éditeur : Lamertin, 1904
Kunitzsch Paul, Mittelalterlicheastronomisch-astrologische Glossaremit arabischen Fachausdrücken, C.H. Beck Verlag, 1980, 58 pp.
Byzantinische Zeitschrift, Vol. 65 ; Albumasaris de revolutionibus nativitatum, Par Abu-Ma’shar Jafar Ibn-Muhammad, Éditeur : David Pingree, 2011

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 07-08-2026

Word EVA tshodeesy
In this post, I examine the single word tshodeesy on page 1r.
[Image: tshodeesy-1r22.jpg]

I had read this word as You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. – to begin, in Old Slavic.
If I try to read it in Greek, bsko8us9, could it be ψόφησις – making a noise, sounding?
We can also consider ψάφιξξις – voting and ψᾰθῠρός – crumbly, crumbling.

It’s difficult to choose at this stage.

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 10-08-2026

Word EVA okaldy
The word okaldy appears 10 times in the text, not counting the three occurrences of okal,dy.
Three nymphs bear it as a label:
one on the inner ring of labels on the Gemini page (<f72r2.27,&Lz> <!03:30>),
another on the outer band of labels on the Leo page <f72v3.18,&Lz> <!09:00>,
and the third is one of the gymnast-nymphs on page 82r.
[Image: 1000062234.jpg]

This word can be read as o(a)nal(i)89:

αναλδης – not thriving, feeble; barren;
αναλθης – not to be healed, not healing, powerless to heal, deadly, inflicting incurable wounds;
αναλτος – not to be filled, insatiate; not salted;
ἀναιδής – shameless, of Agamemnon; ruthless; of things, the stone of Sisyphus is called λᾶας ἀναιδής the reckless, ruthless stone; Adv. ἀναιδῶς;
ἄναιτος = ἄνᾱτος – unharmed; not harming, harmless; immune from punishment.

In the absence of other clues, it is difficult to make a valid choice.

P.S. The nymph on the Leo page has only one leg; I don’t know if this is a unique case, but in any case, it’s not common.

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 13-08-2026

Word EVA keerodal
I was not the only one trying to understand the meaning of the « title » You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. on page 41v and identify the plant it accompanies.
[Image: keerodal-41v-e1785485761619.jpg]

This word is unique in the manuscript and apparently has no parent.
In my opinion keerodal can be read as muro8ai and can correspond to the Byzantine Greek word μυρωδίαι, plural of μυρωδία (μυρωδιά, μερωδία), coming from ancient Greek μυρώδης :
μυρωδία –

fragrance,
unguent,
smell (of food),
spice,
sweet smell, things that smell nicely (like flowers),
(fig.) something very beautiful (of a woman).

This meaning fits very well with the image of a plant, probably fragrant, and the stylized image of an animal, the source of a fragrant substance.
It’s true that the ending doesn’t have a perfect match, but it’s my best suggestion for this word at the moment.

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Oscroft - 13-08-2026

(13-08-2026, 10:13 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In my opinion keerodal can be read as muro8ai and can correspond to the Byzantine Greek word μυρωδίαι, plural of μυρωδία (μυρωδιά, μερωδία), coming from ancient Greek μυρώδης

Forgive my ignorance, but how can you go from a word in EVA (which implies no real-world letters/phonetics) to Greek (or any other real language)? (I might just be missing some obvious implied steps due to my inexperience - and perhaps through not having properly read the whole thread, which is quite long and a little perplexing to me).

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - denty - 13-08-2026

Hi Ruby,

I learned of the ancient Greek word ἀναβιβάζων recently with regard to caput draconis, both with regard to eclipses. Has this word come up in your investigations?