Ruby's Greek Thread - Printable Version

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RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 27-07-2026

Words EVA shalk-
The three words in the text, beginning with shalk-, all in language B, could be Greek:

shalky (2) – skalm9 – σκάλμη – knife, sword or σκαλμός – pin or thole to which the Greek oar was fastened by the τροπωτήρ; =σκαλισμός – hoeing;
shal,kain (1) – skalmain – σκάλμαιν, gen dual of σκάλμη;
shalkaiin (1) – skalmaun – σκαλμῶν, gen pl of σκάλμη or of σκαλμός.

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 30-07-2026

Word « @185;arally »
Since the beginning of my research I saw in the word You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. of 112r.1 (xar.ally by Takahashi) a Greek word, while assuming that the first letter is lowercase « p » and « l » EVA, with different forms, transcribes the consonants « l » and « k ».
[Image: 40185arally-112r-1.jpg]

Since then I have changed my mind and consider that « l » EVA can transcribe either « l » or « i ».
According to my current reading, therefore, this word could be read as paral(i)l(i)9:

παραλλάξ – alternately, in tourn, side by side;
παράλιος =πάραλος – by the sea; of maritime plants, esp. sea-spurge, Euphorbia Paralias;
παρηλιξ – past one’s prime; past the age-limit of service;
παρ’ ἄλλη – among others.

Ultimately, with several possible interpretations, this word cannot be the key to deciphering it, unfortunately.

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 30-07-2026

Ruby, you've done a lot of work translating many words.
But I'll dare to ask you a few questions:
1). I don't see any visual similarities between Greek writing and Voynichese. You are translating the words in EVA transliteration, but apparently without looking at the manuscript itself.
It's just a simple selection of similar words, which was once done by a professor named Gerard. Can these translations mean anything?
2). How often have you received a truly meaningful result (directly from the text, rather than from captions or rare words)?
3). In your last translation, you defined l as lambda (similar to how EVA l is L). In one of your previous posts, you seem to have defined al or ol as alpha.
The shape of the glyphs is stable throughout the manuscript, which means that there is no room for such ambiguity. Or am I missing something?
4). How did Greek become Voynichese?
In fact, your theory may have potential, particularly your interpretations of the "quirks" on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and x as pi. But like any other language theory, I see that there are assumptions and uncertainties. For example, the letter pi can be ch.

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 30-07-2026

(30-07-2026, 01:20 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Ruby, you've done a lot of work translating many words.
...In fact, your theory may have potential.. But like any other language theory...there are assumptions and uncertainties.

In my opinion, any theory published on any forum, by definition, contains uncertainties.
That's precisely the point of participating in discussions, to refine my method.

P.S. You can always check the value I assign to glyphs on my blog.

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 30-07-2026

(30-07-2026, 07:19 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In my opinion, any theory published on any forum, by definition, contains uncertainties.

You right. But the peculiarity of language theories is that they are often based on biased assumptions. A proponent of the conditional Turkish theory will focus on confirming his theory, and so will a proponent of the Arabic theory. Each of them is likely to be able to obtain a meaningful result in the desired language.
But none of their solutions will be correct.

(30-07-2026, 07:19 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You can always check the value I assign to glyphs on my blog.

I'll definitely read it when I have some free time! Smile

But the question remains: how did l turn into λ? Why is ol not oλ, but α?

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 31-07-2026

(30-07-2026, 08:02 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But the question remains: how did l turn into λ?

Could you rephrase your question, please?

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 31-07-2026

(31-07-2026, 08:24 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(30-07-2026, 08:02 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But the question remains: how did l turn into λ?
Could you rephrase your question, please?

Your last translation: the word xarally (or arally in your transliteration). You have defined it as παραλλάξ. You mistook two l's for two lambdas.
l is a small loop that doesn't look anything like a lambda. I haven't seen this type of lambda written in any of the manuscripts (but I might not be looking closely). What are the reasons to believe that l is a lambda?

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 31-07-2026

(31-07-2026, 09:52 AM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What are the reasons to believe that l is a lambda?

I saw no reason not to try.
You can test any other letter in your search.

P.S. I didn't see where I transliterated this word as "arally".
In my work, I use the file "IVTFF Eva- 2.0 M 5# ZL transliteration file, updated from EVMT project # Version 3b of 13/05/2025 #" in which the word being examined is "@185;arally", "xar.ally" is found in Takahashi's file.

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - ololololo - 31-07-2026

(31-07-2026, 03:05 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I saw no reason not to try.

But does it make sense?

RE: Ruby's Greek Thread - Ruby Novacna - 31-07-2026

(31-07-2026, 03:30 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(31-07-2026, 03:05 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I saw no reason not to try.
But does it make sense?

Well, if after examining the 7,000 words I don't get good results, I'll inevitably have to change the letter values.
What glyph would you suggest for lambda?