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RE: Palatino 766 pipes, pools, cliffs, streams... (by Taccola) - DG97EEB - 29-01-2026

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There's a lot of castles in this one... One to check...

RE: Palatino 766 pipes, pools, cliffs, streams... - Koen G - 29-01-2026

(29-01-2026, 10:09 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Is that an example of allegorical interpretation, if the VMs artist 'mistakes' the illustration of an aqueduct for a rainbow? Or repurposes it??

The point I'm trying to make is that no single source explains what we see in Q13. It's completely novel. But it's not devoid of influences, and this must have been one of them.

But you make a good point, in the sense that many of the added elements lean towards the less tangible, so to say. That's why I would still object to the view that the VM "hides" all kind of machinations on purpose.

The only conclusion I'd draw so far is that the VM makers must have had access to a book like this, or this very book. And they employed it in their project, whatever that may have been. 

Do we really have issues with artists, good or bad, drawing materials from more than one source?

RE: Palatino 766 pipes, pools, cliffs, streams... - Koen G - 29-01-2026

(29-01-2026, 09:40 PM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Detailed face on the sun
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Good point! That sun keeps on giving. Also the star-shape around it in your composition.

RE: Palatino 766 pipes, pools, cliffs, streams... (by Taccola) - Koen G - 29-01-2026

   

Let's go team sun!

RE: Palatino 766 pipes, pools, cliffs, streams... (by Taccola) - Bluetoes101 - 29-01-2026

I'd forgot about the Lord Farquaad sun, that one's very close!

RE: Palatino 766 pipes, pools, cliffs, streams... (by Taccola) - Rafal - 29-01-2026

Correct me if I am wrong but this Palatino 766 may be itself not totally originally work but use motifs from earlier works.

Rocks, waters, streams and arches appear in different versions of De Balneis Peotulanis
[Image: miniature-balneis-puteolanis-petrus-ebul...4.jpg.webp]

So maybe both Palatino 766 and VM are inspired by some existing or lost version of De Balneis???

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By the way if this reference is correct it would mean that the Voynich artist was mixing everything, not only making frankenstein plants but also other stuff.

RE: Palatino 766 pipes, pools, cliffs, streams... (by Taccola) - Koen G - 29-01-2026

(29-01-2026, 11:01 PM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'd forgot about the Lord Farquaad sun, that ones very close!

I just wanted to make a colored version to show how similar the outlines are:

   

And of course there are differences again: the VM colors the star-shaped field of the rays blue, and opts to place a different type of rays around the sun instead.

RE: Palatino 766 pipes, pools, cliffs, streams... (by Taccola) - R. Sale - 29-01-2026

No issues at all. Just the opposite, as I support the possibility of diverse, contributing influences from "Oresme" to Shirakatsi - just on one page. The resulting problem is how to accommodate such a wide variety of sources - from the Agnus Dei of Liège to the blue hatted Virgo of Prague. How might a person of that era, (1400-1450), have built up such a diverse background of visual references? From Melusine of the Valois to the Muses of Pizan. Is it even possible???

Then, beyond that, the artist 'plays' with the images. In the intentional Cosmic Combination, and changing the pictorial representation of Earth to vords, to the dualistic interpretation on White Aries, and the hidden use of obscure heraldic canting. 

The VMs balneological illustrations include a number of visual vignettes, Philomela, Ananke and her spindle, Colette of Corbie with her ring and cross, beside several from above.

It's not like the visual references are absent from the page. Even when obfuscated and disguised, the visual references based on "medieval" information are present. They were presented by the VMs artist, but now are not easily recognized, often being unfamiliar to the modern reader.

RE: Palatino 766 pipes, pools, cliffs, streams... - Jorge_Stolfi - 29-01-2026

(29-01-2026, 10:00 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Nice stuff! At the same time, go ahead and make your own drawing of a pipe with water coming out. Not a lot of artistic options.

Indeed small details like pipe openings and ripples are quite probably just coincidences.

But I was impressed by that side pool and arch of the "water bridge" drawing.  The resemblance to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. cannot be coincidence.  It is not just the same hydraulic installation: it is the same perspective and arrangement of the parts.  Except that the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. drawing did not make sense -- until now.  

But the nymphs on the "water slide" still look like they were copied from the cave pool scene of the Balneis Puteolanis ...

All the best, --stolfi
(29-01-2026, 11:28 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.the VM colors the star-shaped field of the rays blue

Another hint that the colors are not originall...

All the best, --stolfi

RE: Palatino 766 pipes, pools, cliffs, streams... (by Taccola) - ReneZ - 29-01-2026

Palatino 766 is interesting. Also to note is that it is listed as 1432-1433, and on paper.

(But then OCR detected Japanese writing?)