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RE: Fun with Ligatures and Brevigraphs - JoJo_Jost - 11-11-2025
i deletet this, have to think about it...
RE: Fun with Ligatures and Brevigraphs - RobGea - 17-11-2025
Hi JoJo_Jost,
This work may be of interest and may contain similar ideas ( i have not read all of it )
Patterns of Latin in the Voynich Manuscript By Patrick Lockerby
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RE: Fun with Ligatures and Brevigraphs - JoJo_Jost - 17-11-2025
(17-11-2025, 03:48 PM)RobGea Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi JoJo_Jost,
This work may be of interest and may contain similar ideas ( i have not read all of it )
Patterns of Latin in the Voynich Manuscript By Patrick Lockerby
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Yes, thank you—it's also one of my theories, but I'm glad to see that someone else has a similar approach and (purely by chance) has come up with exactly the same abbreviations. However, I found much more - much more! But since I not only received no feedback, but rather the opposite, I thought I'd keep it to myself
. Pearls before swine and all that... 
RE: Fun with Ligatures and Brevigraphs - Ruby Novacna - 18-11-2025
(17-11-2025, 05:21 PM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.... I not only received no feedback, but rather the opposite, I thought I'd keep it to myself
Pearls before swine and all that...
Are you sure you already have some pearls?
P.S. What kind of feedback are you expecting?
Were you able to translate anything?
RE: Fun with Ligatures and Brevigraphs - JoJo_Jost - 18-11-2025
Let me give you an example:
I have found the K in the Voynich Manuscript:
Lexicon abbreviaturarum S. 428
It is praeparare, (to prepare) – a term that can occur very frequently in recipes.
And I have been able to decipher more Gallow Glyphs
And yes, I can translate sentences and even several lines in a row, but that is not enough proof. The problem is that an extremely abbreviated language leaves too much room for interpretation. And so the danger of eisegesis is too high.
And as long as I cannot rule that out, I will not publish anything. I am currently looking for a second approach to substantiate the first and have made great progress there as well. But that will all take a few
more months...
RE: Fun with Ligatures and Brevigraphs - JoJo_Jost - 18-11-2025
Now wie have t for Take
and k for praeparare,
Two verbs that are sorely lacking if one assumes that the Voynich language is possibly Latin shortened by berigraphs and ligatures.
but that's not all..
RE: Fun with Ligatures and Brevigraphs - nablator - 18-11-2025
(18-11-2025, 07:53 PM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
Sure. Totally convincing. Well done.
RE: Fun with Ligatures and Brevigraphs - JoJo_Jost - 18-11-2025
thats, what i mean...
RE: Fun with Ligatures and Brevigraphs - JoJo_Jost - 19-11-2025
Let's leave the possible solution aside for now. As long as I don't publish it, it's all speculation. Look at the reactions here. I will only do so if it is absolutely certain. And I'm talking about a translation that has a clear reference to the images, produces clear sentences that everyone (!) can understand, and not this Eisegese rubbish.
But what's more important in this thread is that the Gallow Glyphs are existing characters. And you can actually assign all the unique ligatures, some quite clearly because they are exactly the same in LA, others by applying the underlying rules.
It is at least an indication that it is a Latin sentence that has been greatly shortened, so much so that no one can read it anymore. And what it also shows is that if these Gallow Glyphs are ligatures for words but are in the middle of words, then the spaces are not a sure thing.
RE: Fun with Ligatures and Brevigraphs - nablator - 19-11-2025
(19-11-2025, 06:46 AM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It is at least an indication that it is a Latin sentence that has been greatly shortened, so much so that no one can read it anymore.
Not really. There were many attempts to read recipes or a process from the text. One that was particularly well written was the article by You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (2017), it convinced many people who knew little about the VMS. It got picked by media and became world famous. You're almost there...
