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RE: New book - Koen G - 04-10-2024 That's actually more interesting than the science fiction novel. What's in the historian's toolbox about the VM? RE: New book - nablator - 04-10-2024 (04-10-2024, 06:02 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.That's actually more interesting than the science fiction novel. What's in the historian's toolbox about the VM? A summary of the Golden Fleece book: Quote:Is the Voynich Manuscript a Hoax? "circumstantial but convincing evidence", "authentic paper" ![]() RE: New book - R. Sale - 04-10-2024 Not really focused on VMs content, I gather. You know, the fake drawings on 'authentic paper'. RE: New book - ReneZ - 05-10-2024 I wasn't going to write here, because I haven't read the book. However the quote from the summary referring to paper is of course a major blunder. Now it may be that the newer book makes it clear that the author is aware that the MS is not on paper but on parchment - someone might have seen this - but it demonstrates the lack of seriousness in the whole thing. Even the short blurb has numerous mistakes and statements that are not supported by evidence. The January 1912 date comes out of nowhere, and the only thing of interest I have seen is the proposed contact (correspondence?) between Voynich and Wellcome. A source for that would be interesting. All in all, as far as I can tell, this author has put in only a tiny fraction of the time and effort that Rich has. RE: New book - nablator - 05-10-2024 (05-10-2024, 07:14 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Now it may be that the newer book makes it clear that the author is aware that the MS is not on paper but on parchment - someone might have seen this - but it demonstrates the lack of seriousness in the whole thing. He seems confused in the new book too: calfskin is not paper. Probably the cause of the confusion is "vellum paper" that imitates calfskin. Robert C. Williams in the new book Wrote:In 2009 University of Arizona scientists on Yale’s behalf performed a radio-carbon test of the vellum or calfskin paper in the VMS. The results dated the paper to 1404-48 with 95% confidence, but that could have been true of thousands of pages of old books and manuscripts that Voynich acquired and stockpiled in Florence in 1908. ReneZ Wrote:The January 1912 date comes out of nowhere, and the only thing of interest I have seen is the proposed contact (correspondence?) between Voynich and Wellcome. A source for that would be interesting. January because of the 13th January letter about the "13th century medical manuscript" that Williams identifies "probably" as the VM. Indeed, the correspondence between Voynich and Wellcome's agent C.J.S. Thompson hasn't been studied or even mentioned before it seems in VM literature. Under Booksellers correspondence WA/HMM/LI/Bks Voynich M.W. Letters to and from Charles J.S. Thompson, 1909-21 WA/HMM/LI/Bks/73 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (107 images) RE: New book - nablator - 05-10-2024 In the new book, Robert C. Williams inserted "Roger Bacon" ![]() Robert C. Williams in the new book Wrote:On January 13 Voynich wrote Charles Thompson asking if he wanted to keep the Roger Bacon “13th century medical manuscript which I sent for your inspection.” Thompson did not. He would not pay more than ten pounds for it. This was probably the Voynich manuscript in some form. Thompson returned it to Voynich. "Probably" ![]() Bacon is not mentioned in the letters: This seems to be an attempt to link this manuscript (?) with Bolton's book, supposedly providing a provenance: Robert C. Williams in the new book Wrote:Roger Bacon’s anniversary and Bolton's 1904 book provided Voynich with a provenance for a thirteenth-century alchemical-medical manuscript by Roger Bacon supposedly delivered by Dee and Kelley to seventeenth century Prague and the court of Rudolf II. But where was the evidence of such a manuscript if it ever existed? RE: New book - asteckley - 05-10-2024 Williams is obviously just using the word "paper" instead of "vellum". He was probably unfamiliar with the word "vellum" and so thought "paper" was a clearer and simpler word to use for most readers. That is, for most of us, an unnecesary --and even misleading-- simplification. Most of us equate "paper" with "wood-pulp paper", but in a more general and colloquial sense, it may be used to refer to any similar writing material. Williams' Voynich work is certainly amatuerish and ill-informed, and on the topic of the Voynich MS, it's essentially useless. So there are a lot of substantive flaws in his work to criticize; his use of the word "paper" is probably not one of them. RE: New book - MarcoP - 05-10-2024 Uhm, so being misleading is not a flaw that should be criticized? RE: New book - asteckley - 05-10-2024 (05-10-2024, 11:11 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Uhm, so being misleading is not a flaw that should be criticized? Crticize it if you wish, but doing so makes it obvious that you are really just more concerned with "piling on" and looking for whatever irrelevant items can be used to tear him down, than with the actual evidence that he may or may not have presented and the legitimacy of his ideas. RE: New book - Koen G - 05-10-2024 Normally I'd agree with the sentiment, Andrew. But this is a scientific publication by the professional author of "the historian's toolbox", not an amateur blog. We should expect adherence to a certain standard, including in the use of terminology. |