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RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - Aga Tentakulus - 25-04-2022
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RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - Ruby Novacna - 25-04-2022
(25-04-2022, 01:43 PM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.... takes time and I mean this in s literal senseI agree with you that time is not elastic.
For 10 years I have been publishing my thoughts and I never delete my old publications, even when I change my views.
If my proposals are correct, that's fine, if they are proven to be wrong, that will allow others not to make the same mistakes.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - Ruby Novacna - 25-04-2022
(25-04-2022, 01:47 PM)Juan_Sali Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Before trying to understand words I try to understand how the code was built.I wish you much success and hope to read you soon.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - R. Sale - 25-04-2022
With several investigators looking at "abbreviation" - "shorthand" aspects of VMs linguistics, which is probably better that pulling a dialect out of a hat, perhaps there is an opportunity for progress.
There needs to be a common focus on a few specific segments from the text. If each interested investigator has two or three potential candidates, let there be a selection process, so that only a few specified text segments are being investigated in common - publicly - by all interested researchers. It could then depend upon the interplay between them as to whether discoveries are found.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - Ruby Novacna - 25-04-2022
(25-04-2022, 06:42 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.only a few specified text segments are being investigated in commonThe idea is interesting, but the translation fans must agree to discuss the same subjects.
For my part, I propose here a dozen words with aiin and daiin:
1. chokchaiin - konkaun – κογχων - gen. pl. of κογχη/κογχος - shell, shell-like
2. dcheodaiin – thio8aun – θυωδων – gen. pl. of θυωδης – fragrant
3. fchodaiin - fhotaun – φωτων - gen. pl. of φως – man ; light
4. opchedaiin - ophi8aun - οφιτων, gen. pl. of οφιτης – like a snake.
5. or.olkoaun - oranoaun – ουρανων - gen. pl. of ουρανος – the sky, heaven
6. ordaiin - or8aun – ορτων - gen. pl. of ορτος – altar
7. pchodaiin - photaun – φωτων - gen. pl. of φως – man ; light
8. qekaiin – dinaun - δινων, gen. pl. of δινος/δινον –whirlpool, eddy
9. qodaiin - dotaun – δοτων - gen. pl. of δοτος – given
10. qoraiin - doraun – δωρων - gen. pl. of δωρον – gift or δορων of δορος - leathern bag
11. teeodaiin – buotaun – βιοτων - gen. pl. of βιοτον/βιοτος – world
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - R. Sale - 25-04-2022
I would call those examples VMs vords. As a more significant segment, I am thinking of a short paragraph, half a dozen lines, a specific, circular segment or collection of VMs text, a "recipe", even a page from the botanical section. It needs to be long enough that a 'sensible' context can (hopefully) be developed.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - Ruby Novacna - 25-04-2022
(25-04-2022, 09:08 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It needs to be long enoughThis is everyone's wish, but forcing translation when it doesn't come, just to fill the whole paragraph, is likely to do more harm than good.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - Ruby Novacna - 25-04-2022
(25-04-2022, 01:52 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Too much work and I'm also lazy about writing.Wordpress is easy to use and it automatically shares your posts on facebook.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - R. Sale - 25-04-2022
IMO, there needs to be enough of a linguistic segment to establish context - to say something that makes sense, rather than just a sequence of unrelated vords. The existence of context will serve as a check on any proposed translation.
RE: Daiin and aiin, to be read separately or as part of a word? - cvetkakocj@rogers.com - 25-04-2022
(25-04-2022, 01:47 PM)Juan_Sali Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.My hypothesis is that the text is a code of glyph/ghyphs to letter, a letter can be a single ghyp, a bigram or a 3-gram.IIN in the word DAIIN can be read as one letter, or as different letters. Dr. Bax pointed out that minims in different combinations can be read as 14 different characters.
Before trying to understand words I try to understand how the code was built.
Initially, I read it as 'm', because that felt most natural for me, being used to Latin cursive writing. This works really well for Slovenian language, where the word DAM (I give) is one of the most frequently used words, particularly for the first person writing. The letter M has three minims, the last one with a flourish.
The two minims can be read as N. This, too, works well for Slovenian language, since DAN means 'a day', 'daylight' and adjective 'given'.
A single final minim with a flourish can be read as V.
DAIIIN - red as DAIM means Slovenian phonetic DAJM (I give continuously); if read as DANU, it can mean given (neutral gender).
The 8-shaped D was used in many 15th century European manuscripts, and 'm' was often used with flourish up over one, two, or three minims.
As to the question of DAR, in Slovenian it means 'gift', 'offering'. The word DAR can often be found before or after the word DAM (DAIIN), due to a flexible word order. The words DAR DAM can be translated as 'gift I give'