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RE: Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - JoJo_Jost - 17-07-2026
(17-07-2026, 09:54 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The others are normal final "s" written more or less as a Greek sigma, but very often looks more like B or 8.
okay, then multos is the best fit for the third word....
RE: Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - nablator - 17-07-2026
(17-07-2026, 03:15 PM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(17-07-2026, 09:54 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The others are normal final "s" written more or less as a Greek sigma, but very often looks more like B or 8.
okay, then multos is the best fit for the third word....
But the final "s" is never written like the Voynichese lopsided d.
RE: Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - JoJo_Jost - 17-07-2026
Okay, then it gets harder
so it is Voynicheese = D
RE: Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - monisusa - 21-07-2026
(17-07-2026, 12:59 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It means "olas" and is dialectal Bavarian for "alles" (everything).(17-07-2026, 12:19 PM)JustAnotherTheory Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Would "oladabandum" make any sense at all?
No Latin word starts with "olad".
RE: Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - monisusa - 21-07-2026
(17-07-2026, 08:09 AM)JustAnotherTheory Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I wonder whether the "porta8" word on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is actually a Latin abbreviated word:
The reason is that I found several examples of 14-15th century Latin manuscripts, with this exact word (ending in "8"):
Could someone who speaks good Latin translate what "porta8" could be in these cases? I suspect the "8" is an abbreviation.
If it is so common, in 14-15th century texts, could this mean that the VMS You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is also (partly) Latin?
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As explained in my study on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. this word has to be read correctly "povtas". The character v represents phonem u (like in Devs - Deus) but the English meaning is potash in Standard German Pottasche. It appears after the
abbreviation ca v (= calx viva - unslaked quicklime). Tallow (tc) + calx viva + misce (mix) > saponification. This mixture resulted in a kind of soft soap which allowed the
active components of the ointment to penetrate the skin more effectively. The trigraph sch developed only gradually replacing earlier spellings like s, sk, sc.
RE: Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - JoJo_Jost - 21-07-2026
There was a word in Middle High German: gaf = shell, husk, chaff (actually kaf/kaff)
This came to be used figuratively in various expressions to refer to a trifle or something worthless (mostly figuratively).
In more recent slang, this evolved into the word “Kaff” (meaning a small, unattractive village).
But does that get us anywhere?
RE: Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - Carnby - 28-07-2026
(17-07-2026, 08:09 AM)JustAnotherTheory Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I wonder whether the "porta8" word on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is actually a Latin abbreviated word:Another possibility is that the final sign is a sigmoid (closed) s (ꟙ) rather than an abbreviation mark. In some 14th- and 15th-century cursive hands the two shapes can be similar. In that case, the word would simply be portas.
The reason is that I found several examples of 14-15th century Latin manuscripts, with this exact word (ending in "8"):
Could someone who speaks good Latin translate what "porta8" could be in these cases? I suspect the "8" is an abbreviation.
RE: Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - JoJo_Jost - 28-07-2026
Exactly my words, then:
Portas = you carry
Multos = many
Palsen = balm
alada bas = a chunk of Nießwurz (hellebore) or Nießwurz is better (bas)
RE: Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - denty - 28-07-2026
(28-07-2026, 08:24 PM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Exactly my words, then:
Portas = you carry
Multos = many
Palsen = balm
alada bas = a chunk of Nießwurz (hellebore) or Nießwurz is better (bas)
Thanks for "alada bas", I had never thought of it as being two words. I just asked for the translation of "alada bas" in German, and it said "Just enough".
RE: Is "porta8" on f116v a Latin abbreviated word? - JoJo_Jost - 28-07-2026
(28-07-2026, 08:40 PM)denty Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thanks for "alada bas", I had never thought of it as being two words. I just asked for the translation of "alada bas" in German, and it said "Just enough".
??? Who or what did you ask?