(29-01-2026, 09:16 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I also frequently argued against the notion (maybe introduced by Nick Pelling?) that the parallel hatching in the MS showed familiarity with renaissance techniques. While it's still not the subtle cross-hatching we get in later artists, there may have been more truth to that idea than I thought. It does seem to be mimicking drawing techniques straight from a renaissance source.

(29-01-2026, 09:16 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(29-01-2026, 08:54 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But the dates of Taccola's work then would imply that the VMS was written on a stash of vellum that was decades old, at least...

Many implications of this connection go against my personal beliefs about the VM. But those are worthless in the face of new evidence.

I wouldn't necessarily say decades old. Making a copy doesn't take more than a year, so if any copies were made, those could have already been elsewhere before 1435 and within the radiocarbon dated range. But yes, it's later than I would have thought.

I also frequently argued against the notion (maybe introduced by Nick Pelling?) that the parallel hatching in the MS showed familiarity with renaissance techniques. While it's still not the subtle cross-hatching we get in later artists, there may have been more truth to that idea than I thought. It does seem to be mimicking drawing techniques straight from a renaissance source.

(29-01-2026, 09:23 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(29-01-2026, 09:16 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I also frequently argued against the notion (maybe introduced by Nick Pelling?) that the parallel hatching in the MS showed familiarity with renaissance techniques. While it's still not the subtle cross-hatching we get in later artists, there may have been more truth to that idea than I thought. It does seem to be mimicking drawing techniques straight from a renaissance source.

I have a solution for this "hatching problem", but unfortunately I am not allowed to mention it here...

All the best, --stolfi

(29-01-2026, 09:25 PM)DG97EEB Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Does it involve AI or Da Vinci? ??

(29-01-2026, 09:25 PM)DG97EEB Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Doesn't it feel like we're getting to a place though that if it weren't for the text itself, this would really be a run of the mill zibaldone/hausbuch or am I oversimplifying?

(29-01-2026, 09:34 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(29-01-2026, 09:25 PM)DG97EEB Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Doesn't it feel like we're getting to a place though that if it weren't for the text itself, this would really be a run of the mill zibaldone/hausbuch or am I oversimplifying?

We have some idea of the kinds of sources that were probably used, but we still have no idea about what it did with those sources.

The difference now is that we suddenly have a potential source that's an early 1430's autograph by an Italian renaissance man. That's a step up from "this image of a lady with a cane must have come from the amorphous pool of imagery that circulated in a broad area".

We still don't know what it did with those images. My current early hypothesis is that the VM makers had concepts of a plan, and for that required (or had) a source with illustrations of all kinds of water works. Possibly this very book. They integrated material from that into their new composition - of which we still don't know the purpose.

Since things like Hausbuchs and moralizing works were about as common as it gets, I don't see a problem in a combination of sources.