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RE: Could incantations explain some of the problems of the Voynich Manuscript - nablator - 22-12-2025
A definition of what you mean exactly by "dominate" in your "wired" (green) lines would be helpful to eliminate possible selection bias. Visually, their placement looks close to random to me.
RE: Could incantations explain some of the problems of the Voynich Manuscript - JoJo_Jost - 22-12-2025
@ nablator
realy?????
okay...Three words with the same first three letters.
Three words with the same root.
Three words that swap letters around the same root.
Accumulation of duplicates
Lines that use several word types in a row
...and others
If you remove the uncertain ones (see brackets), the picture would tilt even more towards weird lines = end of page.
<f1v 8> okolshol kol kechy chol kychol cthol chody chol daiin
<f1r 27> ?eo? chol chok choty chotey
<f3r 4> schey chor chal chag cham cho
<f4r 8> shor shol shol cthy cpholdy
<f4r 12> soiin chaiin chain
<f5r 6> sho cheor chey qoeeey qoykeeey qoeor cthy shotshy (okay, this is not so clear, but is weird enough)
<f8r 18> okar cfhaiin chaiin cldaiin chor cha rchealcham
<f13r 3> s y dchor shaiin oeees ykor chor ytshy ykchy kchy dar (the last y is missing, but ykchy is kchy without y,and ykor goes to the same direction)
<f15v 9> otchol octhol chol chol chody kan
<f16v 9> dshy okaiin okaiin chol chor cthor ty chody (cthor is a great maybe)
<f19r 11> qotchy qolody choldy cthyd (a maybe, not last line)
<f19v 13> yees ykchol oty ytor ytar ytchor ytaiin (nearly every word begins with y, 4 with yt)
<f20r 9> fchodees shody qotchey qokchey qocphy chokoldy (okay in the 3 Word the p is in cc... but ists not at the end of the side..)
<f21r 6> dchor y kol y ky chol kol qokeol chol ol qoteeol dady (i think this is weird, too - but not last line of site)
<f21r 11> shol chol shol tchol chcthy otyky shey yteol shody
<f25r 5> qotcheaiin dchain cthain daiin daiin cthain qotaiin <f25r 6> okal chotaiin
<f25v 6> qokcho r ochy qotchy qotoralcho @147; chain deeaiir s
<f26r 9> tcheoshy dchdy okedy chckhy sdydyykeechy okeedy cheky (this line is weird, but ok. i cant explain)
<f26v 5> deeol cheody qoteedy qokody qotedy qotedy opchedy ofchy chs ar
<f27r 4> qokey chor char chy dchy keeychos cthody (not clear, but not last line)
<f27v 2> dchy chkar otchy shy shy dchy dshy kchy cheo daidy dchy
<f30r 11> qotchor cheor chey cheor chey so[eeb:een]ydeysor daiin
<f31r 10> tol shso okedy okedy qokedy qokeedy dar shedshey
<f31r 11> olsheol qokchy dal chey deey kchy keey okaiiin ykeey
<f33r 4> taiin chekey or al aiiin saiin okaiin dar cheedy chkeey far aiin s
<f33r 6> yteey shody kchedy dy chekar okaiin okaiin daiin okal
<f34v 1> k[e': s]chdy chdy chefchy shdy qopchdy shdydy chdalchdy ypchdy chcthdy spaiin (this weird to (not last line)
<f37v 4> dshor dytory dshor daiin <f37v 5> dchor qotol ykchon dain <f37v 6> yokor ytchor saiin oty
<f38v 6> sho keeey key tey daiin daiiin dain dain
<f40r 9> taiin ol olaiin ordain okaiin okaiin okaiin daram
<f42r 10> choty dol ksheo cthor otol cthol cholshol dain
<f42r 13> qopor shol shot shol shol daiin dain scheam
<f42r 20> shol chol shoky okol sho chol shol chal <f42r 21> shol chol chol shol ctoiin c'os odan
<f42v 3> sho chotody chotol oky chol choldl chcthy otoy
<f43r 3> yty yty oty she ody shy olor yteedy kaiin chky qotydy dar aiin ykam (not last line)
<f43r 12> dor shol qokol shedy qotedy qokeedy qokody okeedy otedy shedy oty yty dy saiin
<f44r 9> otchol ol dchckhy qoky qotchy qokchy qokyd <f44r 10> qokchor okchy qoto ykol choky choky chol dam
<f44v 11> okal chol chol choky okaiin cthy otal
<f47r 6> folr chey so chol shol aiin shol shol chdy cholol
<f49v 40 > oaiin chy daiin chol chaiin kshardychokchy
<f54r 10> tor ol dol or chol chol ckhol okol okyytchor ol koldy
<f55v 5> qokaiin chaiin ykain ykan odydaiin chedy talam
<f56r 1> o@167;chal chchs@168;y oty esedy chy ychocphy chorchy chy (okay, but with the to strange letters - not last line)
<f56r 4> qot chor chor chokor chkor chyokar chdy
<f56v 14> chol cheo kchol chol choky chotor
<f56v 15> otchol chol chol daiin chotaiin
<f57r 3> qokeeody cheooky qokeody sheey okeody cheody cheeody cheekeody <f57r 4> dchos cheocthy cheody qot[ee:ch]ody octhody okeeody chteody cheody s
<f65v 5> dshedy okeody qokdshckhy choky chokeody okey dy
<f66r 5> qokeeody qokeody qokeody qokar sheky qokeeody okedy kodary <f66r 6> ykeeody choekeey okeody chekeody qokeey dyky chctho rotaiin
RE: Could incantations explain some of the problems of the Voynich Manuscript - nablator - 23-12-2025
(22-12-2025, 11:03 PM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Three words with the same first three letters.
Three words with the same root.
Three words that swap letters around the same root.
Accumulation of duplicates
Lines that use several word types in a row
...and others
The devil is in the details. You could be noticing these lines and not noticing others that are just as "wired". Do you mean weird?
RE: Could incantations explain some of the problems of the Voynich Manuscript - Bluetoes101 - 23-12-2025
"i before e, except half the time"
(we get taught in English class here "i before e, except after c" and it's a lie..!)
For what it is worth, the "across" is weird and more "charm'y"
The "downward" reminds me of a style of writing that you see in Alchemy, and also medicine.. and just about anyone trying to sound "learned" in a "holier-than-thou" way.
I call it "cat in the hat writing".
(ends of lines)
Þe man þat wele of lechecraft lere
Rede ouer þis bok and he may here
Many a medicyn boþ good and trewe
to hele sores boþ olde and newe
Heryn arn medicines withoute fable
To hele alle sores þat arn curable
Of swerd knif and of arue
Be þe wounde wyd or narue
Of spere of quarel of dagger of dart
to make him hol in eche part...
It's poem-like but the intent is not incantation/charm/poem/song etc, but being a "smart arse".
Talking from a position of knowledge unbeknown to the reader, a rather extreme example would be "fairy tales", if we were to look at it sceptically
I have no idea if the VMS writing is doing this, but I guess it is possible the nature of the almost-repetitiveness downwards is not magical in intention.
RE: Could incantations explain some of the problems of the Voynich Manuscript - JoJo_Jost - 23-12-2025
(23-12-2025, 12:11 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The devil is in the details. You could be noticing these lines and not noticing others that are just as "wired". Do you mean weird?
Yesterday was definitely not my day... yes, surely "weird"... I don't know what was going on in my head. Writing in a foreign language...
I corrected it
But when you compare them to the other lines in the texts, these weird lines are much more noticeable. I just went through the whole herbal section. They stand out clearly from the other lines. But of course, I will have overlooked a few lines—and a few are questionable. That's why I wanted to use ChatGPT to find them all and leave my own opinion out of it. But that didn't work.
But even if you leave out the questionable ones, the picture remains conspicuous, or rather, it becomes even more conspicuous.