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RE: [Just for fun] Favorite Plant Tournament! - Ruby Novacna - 18-04-2025
I choose number 1, the "water lily", because through its "classic" presentation, it gave me a lot of hope of understanding the text, hope, which I still keep.
RE: [Just for fun] Favorite Plant Tournament! - Koen G - 18-04-2025
Unless eagle wings gets basically every vote from now on, water lily is on a clear path to win this bracket!
RE: [Just for fun] Favorite Plant Tournament! - R. Sale - 18-04-2025
What's the difference between eagle's wings and angel's wings? Does the VMs illustration have any 'exclusively' bird-like features? There may also be some influences from the heraldic 'vol'.
RE: [Just for fun] Favorite Plant Tournament! - Koen G - 18-04-2025
I'm just giving them nicknames like race horses.
RE: [Just for fun] Favorite Plant Tournament! - MarcoP - 19-04-2025
(17-04-2025, 05:43 PM)Mauro Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I voted f2v, only because it always reminded me of a leaf of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. mingled with a flower and stem of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (wikipedia shows mostly pink-coloured Convolvolus flowers, but wild ones are all white).
(The reniform leaves of Asarum are very distinctive among European plants, and ihmo very cool. I can only remember You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. having similar leaves)
Personally, I favor the idea that the plant is based on something like the word “waterlily” (or You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) and mixes nymphaea/nenufar with a lily flower.
Asarum is a good match for the leaf, but not for the horizontal root.
The flower of Convolvulus (Volubilis in medieval herbals) doesn’t have clearly separated pointy petals. Lily is not perfect, but a better match, in my opinion.
Comparison images from the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. made in Milan for King Matthias Corvinus of Hungary.
RE: [Just for fun] Favorite Plant Tournament! - Koen G - 19-04-2025
Those are pretty convincing, Marco. I must remember to refer to this when the water Lily inevitably comes up in a video.
RE: [Just for fun] Favorite Plant Tournament! - bi3mw - 19-04-2025
The resemblance to Hydrocharis morsus-ranae (Frogbit) is very striking.
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RE: [Just for fun] Favorite Plant Tournament! - MarcoP - 19-04-2025
(19-04-2025, 12:07 PM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The resemblance to Hydrocharis morsus-ranae (Frogbit) is very striking.
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The leaf is a very good match, the flower not so much (rounded petals), but possibly better than Nymphaea. But, if I understand correctly, the roots float in the water and are as thin as the stems and vertical.
RE: [Just for fun] Favorite Plant Tournament! - Aga Tentakulus - 19-04-2025
All the similarities such as leaf, flower and root also match the hazel grouse.
Therefore for me no 100% with water lily.
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RE: [Just for fun] Favorite Plant Tournament! - Mauro - 19-04-2025
(19-04-2025, 07:54 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(17-04-2025, 05:43 PM)Mauro Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I voted f2v, only because it always reminded me of a leaf of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. mingled with a flower and stem of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (wikipedia shows mostly pink-coloured Convolvolus flowers, but wild ones are all white).
(The reniform leaves of Asarum are very distinctive among European plants, and ihmo very cool. I can only remember You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. having similar leaves)
Personally, I favor the idea that the plant is based on something like the word “waterlily” (or You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) and mixes nymphaea/nenufar with a lily flower.
Asarum is a good match for the leaf, but not for the horizontal root.
The flower of Convolvulus (Volubilis in medieval herbals) doesn’t have clearly separated pointy petals. Lily is not perfect, but a better match, in my opinion.
Comparison images from the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. made in Milan for King Matthias Corvinus of Hungary.
The flower reminds me of Convolvolus mostly for the voluble stem, and for the pronounced calyx. If I'm not mistaken, Liliales do not have a differentiated calyx and so should be excluded (unless it's a lily flower merged with the calyx of some other species). Now that I think of it, it could also be a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. flower: Campanula are usually blue-purple, but plants with white flowers are not a rare find, and Campanula has a calyx and petals separated at the tip (but many more flowers could fit the same description I think).
I suggested Asarum for the leaf because I love that plant: it's very common where I live, yet nobody knows about it because it hides in shady places and the flowers (which are hairy and have a quite unusual, beautiful dark purplish colour) stay hidden under the leaves, which are themselves very beautiful. A humble gem among plants. But any plant with reniform leaves will do for f2v, including Nymphaea and Nuphar (there are not that many plants with reniform leaves, actually).
But all in all, I don't think it's possible to identify any plant (or a part of any plant) with certainty from VMS illustrations (with the possible exception of Viola tricolor which at least looks like the real thing, who knows). The most I can say confidently about You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is that no European plant combines reniform leaves with a such a flower, it comes from imagination and not from nature.