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RE: Graphologist examination - bi3mw - 25-11-2024
(25-11-2024, 01:37 AM)argo2001 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(25-11-2024, 12:01 AM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The article and the research paper is not about handwriting at all.
The algorithm managed to guess the writer based on usage of certain words within a text he used, and some social media posts.
The original German text of the article refers to “geschriebenem Text”, i.e. “written text”. I didn't read the paper, so I assumed the wrong thing, sorry about that.
RE: Graphologist examination - LisaFaginDavis - 25-11-2024
You definitely CANNOT distinguish the gender of a medieval scribe based solely on the handwriting.
RE: Graphologist examination - Scarecrow - 25-11-2024
(25-11-2024, 11:09 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The uncertainties cited by scarecrow are for regular text. Add some more uncertainty on top for whether anything at all applies to Voynichese.
Precisely. Thank you for making it clear.
Some handwriting principles might still apply if applied with care.
Here are some examples, from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
The Principles and the Identification Features of a Handwriting
1. Every handwriting has individuality.
2. No two people write exactly alike.
3. There are natural variations in the handwriting of a person.
4. Individual characteristics that are unique to a particular writer exist in every person’s handwriting, distinguishing it from every other handwritings.
5. Inconspicuous features have great importance.
6. The act of writing is a skill learned through repetition until it becomes a habit.
7. There should be no fundamental divergence in the questioned and sample writings, if written by the same person.
8. A person’s natural writing is based on copybook that they have learned at school.
9. People style their writing as they want and it’s unique to them.
10. A person’s handwriting changes over the course of his/her lifetime.
11. Some writing habits are subconscious and therefore cannot be changed by the writer.
The writing habits of a writer are found from:
1. Headings, introductions and conclusions
2. Movement
3. Paragraph and, their frequency
4. Size
5. Margins
6. Spacing in words, lines and paragraphs
7. Alignment in lines, words, letters, etc.
8. Punctuations
9. Arrangement of figures and abbreviations
10. Speed
General Qualities of a handwriting are:
1. Pictorial Effect
2. Rhythm
3. Style
4. Movement
5. Pen Position
6. Line Quality
7. Type of writing
8. Proportions
9. Legibility
10. Tremor, etc.
The Individual characteristics are:
1. Pen pressure
2. Shading
3. Pen pauses
4. Pen Lifts.
5. Starting and ending strokes
6. Hesitations
7. Embellishments
8. Abbreviations
9. Placings
10. Slope
11. Size
12. Retouchings
13. Diacritics, etc.
Factors that cause changes in Handwriting:
1. Mechanical Factors (Such as, Awkward Position)
2. Time Span (Changes over the course of one’s life)
3. Health
4. Blindness
5. Mental Health
6. Drugs and Medication
7. Alcohol And Drug Abuse
8. Accidentals
9. Guided Hand
10. Tremors in Handwriting, etc.
RE: Graphologist examination - argo2001 - 25-11-2024
To set the record straight, my intention wasn't to find out what gender the author was.
I was simply interested in some handwriting analysis. Graphologist (hopefully its the right profession for the job haha) should be able to tell if it was written left-to-right, upside-down or find other details based on strokes etc.
RE: Graphologist examination - Mark Knowles - 25-11-2024
(25-11-2024, 08:17 PM)argo2001 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.To set the record straight, my intention wasn't to find out what gender the author was.It would be very useful to know the gender of the author(s) that would cut the number of candidates in half.
RE: Graphologist examination - ReneZ - 26-11-2024
(25-11-2024, 08:17 PM)argo2001 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.To set the record straight, my intention wasn't to find out what gender the author was.
I was simply interested in some handwriting analysis. Graphologist (hopefully its the right profession for the job haha) should be able to tell if it was written left-to-right, upside-down or find other details based on strokes etc.
Discussions have a way of going off on tangents.
You are aware that a palaeographer (the right profession for the job) has already done this?
RE: Graphologist examination - Koen G - 26-11-2024
Paleography is the science of the analysis of handwriting.
Graphology is a pseudoscience.
Might as well ask for someone with a crystal ball or a dowsing rod
RE: Graphologist examination - ReneZ - 26-11-2024
(26-11-2024, 08:28 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.or a dowsing rod
It's funny you should mention that - or has he written to you as well?
RE: Graphologist examination - Koen G - 26-11-2024
(26-11-2024, 09:04 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It's funny you should mention that - or has he written to you as well?
Hahaha no. I can only imagine...
RE: Graphologist examination - Scarecrow - 26-11-2024
A little introduction to paleography and I especially liked the sections discussin scribal errors. This was originally made by Brown university but this version has been adapted to bible studies, but nevertheless has relevancy in VMS world.
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+Errors Caused by Mental Lapse
Transposition of Letters
Explanation
A totally different word can be formed by simply transposing a letter. The results can be
devastating to the meaning of a passage.
Substitution of Synonyms
Explanation
From the moment a scribe read or heard the phrase he was to copy down until he finished
writing it out, there was a danger that what he held in memory could become distorted in some
way. One way seems to have been writing down a synonym for a word that he was supposed
to copy. In this case, perhaps the scribe was more conscious of the sense of what he was
writing than the exact words themselves.