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RE: Can the ending -ain refer to the infinitive of verbs? - Ruby Novacna - 25-10-2022
Looking at the word You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., I realised that this is another case where the -ain ending is not that of an infinitive.
RE: Combination of pch glyphs - Ruby Novacna - 04-11-2022
(19-04-2022, 11:21 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Could there be any reason for most of them to be exclusively the first words of paragraphs? I know pchdy does appear elsewhere and pchdeedy is in a circular text but ignoring the problem with the other vords that you list (and more generally, p and f gallows appearing mostly on first lines of paragraphs) does not inspire confidence.If the glyph p EVA only appears on the first lines of the paragraphs, perhaps we should treat the first lines and the rest of the paragraphs separately?
For example, in the "recipes" section, the first lines would be written in Greek and would represent the title and summary of the paragraph that follows. The text of the paragraphs would be written in a language that does not have a p?
RE: Combination of pch glyphs - Ruby Novacna - 19-11-2022
The Byzantine Greek dictionary, LBG, Lexikon zur byzantinischen Gräzität, gives for the word οφαλος the meaning ομφαλος - navel. This is, perhaps, a better reading of the word opchaly on page 76, which I had previously read as οφελος -utility, benefit, profit.
Ruby's Greek Thread - How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 24-11-2022
For several years I have been trying to understand the text, believing that it is not the code, at least for certain parts of the text.
The B language presents, in my opinion, several words which could be Greek, at least with phonetic values which I currently give to the glyphs.
However, I realize that the speed of my investigation remains very poor.
And if to speed up we proceeded in the opposite way, looking for clues that could exclude ancient Greek?
Do you know of such clues?
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - davidjackson - 25-11-2022
I would suggest that, logically, if you can't prove it is Greek, you can't prove it isn't Greek.
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - nablator - 25-11-2022
(24-11-2022, 06:08 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Do you know of such clues?Do you have any words starting with N (nu)?
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 25-11-2022
(25-11-2022, 06:50 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Do you have any words starting with N (nu)?Yes, some of the words featured on my Word List start with n.
I remind you that it is k EVA that I read as n or m, depending on the position of the horizontal bar.
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - tavie - 25-11-2022
I don't think it's possible to rule out Greek or any other language that is a reasonable candidate within the timeframe for the manuscript. If someone proposes a particular Greek solution, we could rule out that particular Greek solution for being inconsistent with known Voynichese properties. But we can't rule out Greek itself as the language.
This is because we know that if it is language (and not meaningless gibberish), multiple things have been done to the text to give it the myriad un-language-like characteristics that it has, such as the entropy issue, the line patterns, etc. We don't know what these processes applied to the text are, and until we do have a better idea of them, we can't rule out the possibility that they could make a Greek text look rather "un-Greek". And the same for other candidate languages.
In contrast, if a simple substitution cypher were the solution, we would be able to eliminate candidate languages very quickly.
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - nablator - 25-11-2022
(25-11-2022, 08:14 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I remind you that it is k EVA that I read as n or m, depending on the position of the horizontal bar.I had no idea. Do you have all the possible substitutions written down somewhere?
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 26-11-2022
(25-11-2022, 10:41 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Do you have all the possible substitutions written down somewhere?Writing all the possible substitutions seems difficult, it would be feasible for a computer program. However, the substitutions I currently use are presented on the Word List page of my blog.