Ruby's Greek Thread - Printable Version

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RE: Combination of pch glyphs - Ruby Novacna - 18-08-2022

I spent a few days copying words in the text that contain the combination pch. Unless I am mistaken, there are 313 types of words. Of course, some of them may be corrected in the long term, and for others we may find the family links, to shorten the list.
For the moment I have only proposed to read about forty of the words, mostly in Greek, although several of these words also exist in Latin.

RE: Combination of pch glyphs - Ruby Novacna - 25-08-2022

My list of words containing the pch glyphs counts today 284 present on voynichese and 30 which are still to be found and checked. Out of the 284, which represent 745 occurrences in total, only one third are repeated 2 times or more, two thirds are unique words.

RE: Combination of pch glyphs - Ruby Novacna - 27-08-2022

I added the reading of the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. of my list containing the combination pch :

pchedy (34) – phi89 - φιτυς – begetter, father ; φυτας – young offspring; φυτος – formed by nature, natural; fruitful
pchedar (11) – phi8ar – φυτας - young offspring
pchedal (2) – phi8a(i) - φυται, fem pl of φυτος - formed by nature, natural; fruitful
pchedaiin (4) - phi8aun – φυτων - vineyard; gen pl of φυτον – plant; sucker; offshoot, child; creature; gen pl of φυτος - formed by nature, natural; fruitful

RE: Combination of pch glyphs - Ruby Novacna - 04-09-2022

I have added the possible reading of four words containing pch:

pchy - φη or φως,
pchey - φεως, φυη or φυος,
pcheey - φυη or φυος,
spchy - σφη or σφος.

Of course, with several possible readings for each EVA word, we are still far from understanding the text, especially as some Greek words can have several meanings, for example the word φυη can be a verb and a noun.

RE: Can the ending -ain refer to the infinitive of verbs? - Ruby Novacna - 16-09-2022

On the list of Greek endings there is also the ending -αιν with some examples:

Genitive and dative dual of first-declension nouns: ῐ̓δέᾱ, ῐ̓δέαιν.
Feminine genitive and dative dual of all adjectives with first-declension feminines: ᾰ̓γᾰθός, ᾰ̓γᾰθαῖν; βᾰρῠ́, βᾰρείαιν.

It is therefore in our interest to check regularly whether the voynechese word ending in -ain is a verb with the ending -ειν or rather a noun or adjective with the ending -αιν.

RE: Can the ending -ain refer to the infinitive of verbs? - cvetkakocj@rogers.com - 16-09-2022

Ruby, In Slovenian language, aiv is definitelly the grammatical ending for adjectives and verbs. Regardless of how you transcribe ain (an, ain, aiv, aw) - these are all grammatical endings in Slovenian. The ending -aiv is most characteristic for the adjective, such as in the word LEKAIV (healing - constructed from LEK/medicine and -iv), but in the VM, where W is used for phonetic U or V, it can also be the ending for noun - DAN (EVA-dain) could be translated into Slovenian as DAN - nominative case for 'a day'. Or it can be translated as DAN - passive masculine of 'give' (given). If transliterated as DAIV, it can be pronounced as DAJIV - he was repeatedly giving, and DAW, pronounced as DAU means 'he gave'.

RE: Can the ending -ain refer to the infinitive of verbs? - Ruby Novacna - 17-09-2022

(16-09-2022, 02:46 PM)cvetkakocj@rogers.com Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.but in the VM, where W is used for phonetic U or V

Thanks, Cvetka, but you don't specify, which glyph does the w correspond to in EVA, for example?

(16-09-2022, 02:46 PM)cvetkakocj@rogers.com Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The ending -aiv is most characteristic for the adjective, such as in the word LEKAIV (healing

Is it -ain or -aiv?
Can you also specify on which page you found the word lekaiv?

RE: Can the ending -ain refer to the infinitive of verbs? - Ruby Novacna - 29-09-2022

Some time ago I had suggested reading the word ydain as 98ain for the Greek word ηθειν, the infinitive of ηθεω -to sift, to filter. But by reading 8 as δ, the word ydain becomes You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., 1st and 3rd person past perfect of *ειδω - I (he) knew.
Finally, even reading the voynechese ending -ain as -ειν, we cannot automatically conclude that it's the infinitive.

RE: Combination of pch glyphs - Ruby Novacna - 08-10-2022

I You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. on the list of words containing the combination pch that cannot be read in Greek or Latin without slight modifications.
- shopchey (2, 1/1),
- shopcho (2),
- shopchy (2A)
- shorpchor (1A).

We have several possible modifications;
1. read pch as p
2. read pch as p+voyelle,
3. read o as a,
4. read sh as ch.
Which modification do you think would be the most appropriate?

RE: Combination of pch glyphs - Ruby Novacna - 09-10-2022

By replacing sh with ch we find a possibility of giving meaning to the word shopcho which appears on two “zodiac” pages.
Shopcho would be chopcho – κωφοω – to weaken, I think this is a term that could well appear in the text of a “horoscope”.