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RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Petrasti - 07-10-2025
Do you assume that the flowers are being described in the pictures of the plants? If so, you should be able to find the appropriate words for the plants there. If you don´t assume that, my question would be, are there medieval manuscripts in which, instead of plant descriptions, a text from a different subject area appears right next to plant drawings? And how likely would that be the case in Voynich? could that be a way for you to find evidence for or against your theory yourself?
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Jorge_Stolfi - 07-10-2025
(07-10-2025, 11:32 AM)Petrasti Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Do you assume that the flowers are being described in the pictures of the plants? [...] are there medieval manuscripts in which, instead of plant descriptions, a text from a different subject area appears right next to plant drawings?
The texts in Medieval herbals did not describe the plants. Each text talked about the plant's uses -- what diseases it cured, how to prepare it, how much to take for how long, etc.
Check Marco Ponzi's You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (which is to real herbals like the Lord of the Rings is to real history, and Star Wars is to The Right Stuff...)
All the best, --jorge
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Petrasti - 08-10-2025
Thanks Jorge for the link. Let's simplify it further. Then you should at least find words like herb, plant, leaf, or blossom, etc. And as an expanded option: add, mix, stir, shake, squeeze, or similar.
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - nablator - 08-10-2025
(07-10-2025, 11:53 AM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The texts in Medieval herbals did not describe the plants.
It depends. Some herbals focused on the medical uses of plants only. Others such as the Tractatus de herbis included a description in the first half of the article for any plant, following the example of Dioscorides' De materia medica.
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - ReneZ - 08-10-2025
Given that Ruby is contrained to posting about her theory in a single thread, this thread should probably not be taken off-topic too much....
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 09-10-2025
(07-10-2025, 11:53 AM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Check Marco Ponzi's You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (which is to real herbals like the Lord of the Rings is to real history, and Star Wars is to The Right Stuff...)
Thanks Jorge for this comparison with The Right Stuff.., I have never seen this film, I just read its description, it is very informative.
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 09-10-2025
(08-10-2025, 04:54 AM)Petrasti Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.... you should at least find words like herb, plant, leaf, or blossom, etc. And as an expanded option: add, mix, stir, shake, squeeze, or similar.
Petra, I started about fifteen years ago with the same ideas as you, today I take the words as they come.
I know, my output is very low, I'm too slow, in 15 years I've only offered 3000 words without being able to link them into suitable sentences.
You might be faster than me.
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 09-10-2025
(08-10-2025, 12:27 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Given that Ruby is contrained to posting about her theory in a single thread, this thread should probably not be taken off-topic too much....
Rene, I can't be bothered by comments, even if I'm forced to concentrate my posts in a single thread.
Who knows what idea might advance my investigations?
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 09-10-2025
The first two words of the 8th line of 104v « tchodls cheeody » can be read as « bho8is kuo89 » or βότης κηώδης, for example.
We can translate these words as « a fragrant plant » or « odorous oregano. »
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 10-10-2025
Can the two words in line 68 of 75v, « otol chckhey, » be read together, as obol(oi,a)kinu9?
This word reminds me of the word ἀβακηνούς from Photius’s Lexicon.
Photius’ explanation is « τοὺς γυναικὶ μὴ ὁμιλήσαντας », which I translated as – who has not become accustomed to women, based on the word αϐακηνος of the Thesauros tes hellenikes glosses* – qui cum muliere non consuevit.
Another interpretation of the αϐακηνος is « ο μη ομιλησας γυναικι ».
The words ὁμιλήσαντας and ομιλησας are both conjugated forms of the verb ὁμιλέω :
- to be in company with, consort with;
- in hostile sense, join battle with;
- of social intercourse, hold converse with, be acquainted with, associate with;
- to be friends;
- speak to, address;
- of marriage or sexual intercourse;
- of things or business which one has to do with, attend to, busy oneself with;
- deal with a man, bear oneself towards him;
- of place, come into, enter, visit.
The exact meaning is not very clear at the moment, without mastering the context.