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RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - Anton - 23-11-2016
Hi stellar,
You were asked previously to not produce multiple threads of essentially the same subject. I'm sorry that I'm in position to issue you a warning. Threads merged.
As for the Aqua etc., I did not state that numerology is incorrect. The numerology (i.e. adding up numbers) is correct (unless occasional mistakes are introduced). What is not "correct" - or, rather, not substantiated - are the postulates that you introduce and the conclusions that you deduce.
Btw, is not it "aqua vitae" the correct phrase, and not "aqua vita"?
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - stellar - 23-11-2016
(23-11-2016, 12:41 AM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi stellar,
You were asked previously to not produce multiple threads of essentially the same subject. I'm sorry that I'm in position to issue you a warning. Threads merged.
As for the Aqua etc., I did not state that numerology is incorrect. The numerology (i.e. adding up numbers) is correct (unless occasional mistakes are introduced). What is not "correct" - or, rather, not substantiated - are the postulates that you introduce and the conclusions that you deduce.
Btw, is not it "aqua vitae" the correct phrase, and not "aqua vita"?
In Wikipedia it can be spelled either way. Aqua Vitae Latin, Aqua Vita English.
Back to the Prague Wall and look how it mimics the Voynich Prague Wall.
![[Image: Cx562oBUQAAQNSw.jpg:large]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx562oBUQAAQNSw.jpg:large)
![[Image: ros-2.png]](https://voynichnumerology.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/ros-2.png)
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - Anton - 23-11-2016
But the language should be Welsh, according to your method, should not it?
And now you calculate the results not over a single word, but over a group of two or three vords and of two words (Aqua + Vita), respectively. Should the numbers in your method be calculated over individual words or over phrases or sentences?
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - -JKP- - 23-11-2016
(23-11-2016, 01:01 AM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(23-11-2016, 12:41 AM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi stellar,
You were asked previously to not produce multiple threads of essentially the same subject. I'm sorry that I'm in position to issue you a warning. Threads merged.
As for the Aqua etc., I did not state that numerology is incorrect. The numerology (i.e. adding up numbers) is correct (unless occasional mistakes are introduced). What is not "correct" - or, rather, not substantiated - are the postulates that you introduce and the conclusions that you deduce.
Btw, is not it "aqua vitae" the correct phrase, and not "aqua vita"?
In Wikipedia it can be spelled either way. Aqua Vitae Latin, Aqua Vita English.
Back to the Prague Wall and look how it mimics the Voynich Prague Wall.
Stellar, swallowtail merlons are found all over Europe. I've spent several years looking into them. In recent centuries the brick molds and cutting tools to create them became more sophisticated and they became so popular that many old castles and castle walls that didn't have them in the middle ages were remodeled to include them. These days they are a decorative item.
In the middle ages, they were not decorative. They were called Ghibelline merlons because they were non-traditional and the Ghibellines used them to set themselves off politically from the Guelphs and other people whose views they opposed. There were significant quarrels over the papacy and how (and where) people could live their lives. In those days, Ghibelline merlons were found in very specific places for specific reasons.
Did you do the background research to see if Ghibelline merlons were on the Prague wall in the early 1400s (I know the answer to this but I wonder if you bothered to research it before posting)? By the mid- to late 1500s when Dee was in Prague, swallowtail merlons had spread to many other areas and no longer had the same political meaning. (By the way, he was only in Prague part of the time, most of the time he was on the continent, he was in Poland and southern Bohemia. It was Kelly who spent the greater part of the journey in Prague.)
Once again, rather than researching Ghibelline merlons, I suspect what you did was specifically choose the Prague merlons because you are still assuming Dee created the VMS and you know Dee was in Prague (did you even LOOK to see all the other places in the western world that had Ghibelline merlons?). Your assumptions about Dee underly all of your postings even though:
- Dee was born a century after the probable creation of the Voynich manuscript.
- Dee draws better (and differently) than whoever illustrated the VMS.
- Dee's letter forms are not written in the same way as the letters in the VMS.
- Even though Dee was interested in almost everything, he never showed any particular interest in plants, he leaned toward the analytical arts like math, literature, and occult arts like astrology and the channeling of angelic messages, and he is one of the less likely persons to have created more than 200 plant drawings.
- Dee was interested in cryptology, he read about it, he had books about it in his very extensive library, he was familiar with Trithemius, but he showed more interest in decryption than in encryption. What we now call the Enochian language and alphabet was devised by Kelly, and Dee was more interested in recording it for posterity (he genuinely believed God communicated through angels) and in using it for understanding angelic messages than he was in creating ciphers.
Why don't you do a bit of real research instead of cursory cherry-picking before posting huge pictures? Research the Ghibelline merlons. Research Dee's background (you clearly know very little about him) BEFORE you post half-baked unsubstantiated theories.