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RE: Alchemical Symbolism in the VMS - bi3mw - 05-07-2021 Addendum: Rupescissa, for example, saw the distillation as the third stage of the process to the philosopher's stone. Here again an allegorical connection to Christ is established. Quote:Tara Nummedal (2013), Alchemy and Religion in Christian Europe, Ambix, p.314 Interestingly, two of the nymphs wear large diadems at the bottom of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. . Who knows if that has something to say. RE: Alchemical Symbolism in the VMS - Koen G - 05-07-2021 It's surprising to me how many of these early alchemists combined interest in medicine and Church reform You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. RE: Alchemical Symbolism in the VMS - bi3mw - 05-07-2021 In the German Wikipedia it is noted that Arnaldus de Villanova rejected alchemy although various works of pseudo-authors were "foisted" on him. Of influence in alchemy, however, was his alcohol distillation (especially on Rupescissa). There were certain similarities between Arnaldus de Villa Nova and Rupescissa. Both believed in the coming of the Antichrist and propagated a reform of the Church. This earned them indictments and imprisonment. RE: Alchemical Symbolism in the VMS - Aga Tentakulus - 06-07-2021 For fermentation: It's not just the alcohol. Many things can be fermented. For example, cabbage can be fermented. The Germans call it sauerkraut, and in Korea they call it kimchi. Or fermented fish. You really need a strong stomach to eat that. In Northern Europe and Asia, they're into it. Lastly, schnapps made from fermented fish. I can't even think about it. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. RE: Alchemical Symbolism in the VMS - DONJCH - 06-07-2021 (06-07-2021, 06:55 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Or fermented fish. You really need a strong stomach to eat that.Didn't the Romans also love fermented fish sauce? Certainly this is an essential ingredient in the delicious SE Asian recipes! Fermented prawns (balachan) too! RE: Alchemical Symbolism in the VMS - Aga Tentakulus - 06-07-2021 Yes, that's right. The Romans used fermented fish in vinegar mainly for seasoning. A lot of it was discovered during excavations in Pompei. RE: Alchemical Symbolism in the VMS - bi3mw - 06-07-2021 Surströmming, ugh, I'd rather deal with such pleasant things as the fermentation of grapes. There's nothing like a glass of good wine ![]() RE: Alchemical Symbolism in the VMS - bi3mw - 06-07-2021 On the subject of inedible, I have here a description of how to make the "Fifth Essence of gold". This was certainly not intended for drinking (despite the use of wine and wine vinegar): Quote:Rupescissa maintained that once a successful process was found that it could be used in the pursuit of fifth essence on a variety of materials. The materials first needed to be “digested” by being slowly cooked over a low heat and have salt * added to it. Once the resulting subtle parts were removed they could be mixed with a quintessence of wine (obtained through its own regiment of distillations). In order to find the fifth essence of gold Rupescissa recommended mixing gold with mercury and then combining that with distilled “philosophical vinegar” (the result of a distilled wine vinegar and nitric and hydrochloric acids) and heating the oil mixture over a fire. * Salt is known to be a chemical compound consisting of sodium and chloride, but the alchemists believed it to be a single element. I do not know if this salt is meant. It could also mean, for example, a nitrous salt, such as saltpeter. RE: Alchemical Symbolism in the VMS - Aga Tentakulus - 08-07-2021 I think it is normal salt that was considered an element. In the past, saltpetre was collected from pigs and cowsheds for gunpowder before it was mined. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. RE: Alchemical Symbolism in the VMS - bi3mw - 08-07-2021 Hmm, so saltpetre alone actually makes little sense. It would simply burn off when heated. It should actually be a salt (or a salt solution) that can dissolve or at least bind substances. I have no idea whether such a salt exists. I only know that vitriol and alums were also used to make sulphuric acid and nitric acid. So I would guess a mixture of salts. The resulting acids would then have the properties needed. Quote:.... * The product was the so-called "aqua dissolutiva". Edit: the whole thing can also be distilled: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. |