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RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 15-01-2023
(17-12-2022, 06:19 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Simple substitutions preserve most of the statistical features of the source language, for instance character conditional entropy, the binomial distribution of word lengths, consecutive repetition of words. The source language must therefore match the values of these properties observed in the VMS. European languages don't match these properties and are therefore ruled out for a simple substitution.I found some Wikipedia articles about word repetition.
"Polyptoton is the stylistic scheme in which words derived from the same root are repeated (such as "strong" and "strength").
A related stylistic device is antanaclasis, in which the same word is repeated, but each time with a different sense.
Another related term is figura etymologica in which words with the same etymological derivation are used in the same passage."
Certainly, knowing that repetition has its place in European languages is not enough to be able to explain the repetitions of the text of the VM, it would first be necessary to be able to translate them.
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Aga Tentakulus - 21-01-2023
As promised, I have compiled something for them from my research.
Actually, I wanted something where a picture describes. Had decided for this text, because it also contains a @ and shows the harmony to "et". Where I have already mentioned.
But I come to the conclusion that it does not describe the picture, but is a part of the text.
I used two different translators to be somewhat sure.
Here I must also ask a question to linguists. Since in the text the word " dewdrop " also appears, whether around 1400 the words distillation and condensate were used.
Have fun.
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 22-01-2023
(21-01-2023, 04:42 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.As promised, I have compiled something for them from my research.An interesting example. However, it would be more interesting if you managed to write it in English and as a text, not as a picture.
You can also add the reference of these labels and explain what phonetic value you attribute to the glyphs.
Finally, do you think this is Latin?
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Aga Tentakulus - 22-01-2023
I can understand you about the pictures.
For me, the pictures show immediately that it is an excerpt from the dictionary. I could also do it in English, but I don't know of a good or reliable dictionary.
Since I don't make or need to make any major adjustments to the grammar, I think it's in Latin or a dialect.
Adjustments in tone are possible, but also normal.
"wie geht es / wie gaht's / wie goht's" How does it go? in German, Alemannic and Bavarian.
I think something like that also occurs in Italian depending on the region, I guess. Here someone like Marco would have to know further.
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 23-01-2023
(22-01-2023, 12:10 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view."wie geht es / wie gaht's / wie goht's" How does it go? in German, Alemannic and Bavarian.Is this your translation of the 78r labels?
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Aga Tentakulus - 23-01-2023
No, it is not directly related to the VM.
It only says that the sound shift in the dialects makes the words look different and I can't find them in the dictionary, or they can mean something completely different.
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 24-01-2023
(23-01-2023, 06:57 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.No, it is not directly related to the VMFor my part, I prefer to concentrate on what directly affects our manuscript to save time.
RE: Oiin as a verb ending - Ruby Novacna - 26-01-2023
The word pchdoiin on page 104v, which I read as φτουν, may be equivalent to πεφτουν, of πεφτω - to fall, from Byzantine Greek.
Unfortunately I haven't found an explanation of the Byzantine Greek conjugation yet, is it similar or different to Ancient Greek?
Do you have any idea about this?
RE: Can the ending -ain refer to the infinitive of verbs? - Ruby Novacna - 30-01-2023
According to a Wikipedia article, the infinitive of verbs in some Doric dialects ends in -ην instead of -ειν in Attic.
If language B is one of the Doric dialects, then we should read the combination ai as η, regardless of its position in the word ?
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 15-02-2023
All three words in the "title" of line 10 on page 1r, dain.os.teody, are now on my Word list and I have tried to put them together:
τειν ὅς βίοτος – to you this life (this world) or this life (this world) is yours.
Has anyone made any other suggestions for this title?