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RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Stefan Wirtz_2 - 24-10-2025
What do you mean by "shedy"?
For starters, I do not see this "h" as a separate letter in VMS at all, but only as one of the flaws in EVA.
I think you mean this: Shedy"
Did not identify the combination symbol Sh yet, and I am quite, but not finally sure that e is our letter o.
In my little world the dy equivalents to ka or kya, as I see the base of VMS character set more influenced by cyrillic than greek.
So the last three letters would be -oka or okya, окя .
I "translated" only those words which I estimated with a good chance to be names; I do not perform any further translation-tries now, as I have no source language yet and a too little character set.
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 25-10-2025
(24-10-2025, 11:01 PM)Stefan Wirtz_2 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What do you mean by "shedy"?
For starters, I do not see this "h" as a separate letter in VMS at all, but only as one of the flaws in EVA.
I think you mean this: Shedy"
Did not identify the combination symbol Sh yet, and I am quite, but not finally sure that e is our letter o.
In my little world the dy equivalents to ka or kya, as I see the base of VMS character set more influenced by cyrillic than greek.
So the last three letters would be -oka or okya, окя .
I "translated" only those words which I estimated with a good chance to be names; I do not perform any further translation-tries now, as I have no source language yet and a too little character set.
Thanks, Stefan!
If I understand correctly, you have no arguments for or against my interpretation of "shedy" & Co. in Greek; you're only interested in the shape of the glyphs.
I find this curious, because in the region you described in your thread, shouldn't the Greek language be lacking?
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Stefan Wirtz_2 - 26-10-2025
(25-10-2025, 09:14 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[..]
If I understand correctly, you have no arguments for or against my interpretation of "shedy" & Co. in Greek; you're only interested in the shape of the glyphs.
I do not intent to support or object your theory of Voynichese being Greek - I doubt you are doing that here.
But a main argument against your translation would be your understanding of all VMS characters, apart from any different understandings about their number or even "shape".
As showed, everybody has a different understanding of them, and I do not remember any understandable development of your letter assignments from this post or your blog or webpage, whatever.
I don't quite get this one here, what do you mean?
Ruby Novacna Wrote:I find this curious, because in the region you described in your thread, shouldn't the Greek language be lacking?
I have several threads here. If you mean the one where I describe the VMS Map showing a region of Crimea and maybe some north of it (better explained in my video You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ):
yes, during the VMS period existed a small nation called Theodoro in south Crimea, with Byzantine roots, they spoke and wrote Greek.
In another (new) nation, Crimean Khanate in the North, some Karaitan jews lived in Chufut Kale, a mountain fortress close to later Bakhchassaray and Mangup. They spoke and wrote a version of Greek, but wrote also Hebrew.
Plus all Genuese harbours at south coast with surely a mix of different inhabitants.
But there are 2 things:
1. whoever lives in a region, does merely not need a map of his peninsula, this is more important for distant visitors. With 4-5 harbours and international trade, this is not very helpful.
So I never claimed the whole VMS book originating in Crimea, but only the Map being about that region.
And that pushes back the Greek option a bit.
2. Greek is a rather complex, fully defined language since ~3,000 years. The grammar and the alphabet are set since an eternity, all developments and dialects are well-known and can be tracked to their roots. Yes, modern greek is different to it's ancient origin, but there is no unknown white patch of this language.
Greek in all it's forms is just too complicated by alphabet, words' structures, vocabulary and grammar for those poor little glyphs and vords of VMS.
It simply isn't Greek.
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 30-10-2025
Words keol.chokeol
The two words in line 30 of 108v « keol (20) chokeol (5) » can be read as « νέοι γονιοί » – the young (or new) parents.
RE: How to prove that the B-language is not Greek? - Ruby Novacna - 01-11-2025
Words deeeoskol and ochepalain of 67v
In this post, I examine two words from folio 67v.
The first is ochepalain that can transcribe the Greek word ακεφαλειν, the infinitive of ἀκεφαλόω – remove the head.
To be honest, I haven’t found an example of this verb yet.
What I found is the verb κεφαλόω – to have a head and the word ἀκέφᾰλος – headless. I hope that ἀκεφαλόω can be found as well.
However, ἀκέφᾰλος means not only « headless, » but also « without beginning » or « degraded »; perhaps the verb could also have one of these meanings.
The second word to examine is « deeeoskol, » unique in the text.
I think it would be better to transcribe it as dcheoskol and I read it as 8hiosmoi and think it might transcribe the Greek word θειασμοί, plural of θειασμός – divine inspiration, superstition, omen.