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Something similar to f57v. - ololololo - 08-08-2026

A diagram from a prayer book. I can’t read it because I don’t know the required language.
   
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What is this, and how might it be related to f57v?

RE: Something similar to f57v. - JoeyB - 08-08-2026

(08-08-2026, 02:06 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.A diagram from a prayer book. I can’t read it because I don’t know the required language.

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What is this, and how might it be related to f57v?

I'll spare everyone a cut-and-paste from AI but wanted to mention that the latest Grok (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) model is actually pretty decent for dropping in an image like this and asking for language ID and attempt at a translation. This took 33 seconds on the free version. In the AI thread we tested chatgpt and fable a month or two ago as well.

I've shared this link before but if you get more into medieval calendars and ferial and dominical letter stuff I found this blog to be very helpful: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

RE: Something similar to f57v. - ololololo - 08-08-2026

(08-08-2026, 02:17 PM)JoeyB Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(08-08-2026, 02:06 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.A diagram from a prayer book. I can’t read it because I don’t know the required language.

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What is this, and how might it be related to f57v?

I'll spare everyone a cut-and-paste from AI but wanted to mention that the latest Grok (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) model is actually pretty decent for dropping in an image like this and asking for language ID and attempt at a translation. This took 33 seconds on the free version. In the AI thread we tested chatgpt and fable a month or two ago as well.

I've shared this link before but if you get more into medieval calendars and ferial and dominical letter stuff I found this blog to be very helpful: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Sounds interesting! I’ll work with AI in my free time.
I just don’t know whether You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. has been studied as a possible calendar. What’s interesting is that there are four little people, just like there are four seasons.

RE: Something similar to f57v. - Koen G - 08-08-2026

Quote:To the left of that we have a column of letters A to G known as the ferial letters.  In calendars designed to last for many years, these are a clever way of keeping track of the day of the week.  In any year you would only have to know what letter Sunday was (the dominical letter). If you know that all the Sundays are C that year, then all the Mondays will be D, all the Tuesdays E, and so on.

So this diagram you posted says "Want to know what the Sunday letter is?" And then what you have to do to figure it out.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. have similar calendar-like columns.

RE: Something similar to f57v. - DG97EEB - 08-08-2026

(08-08-2026, 02:06 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.A diagram from a prayer book. I can’t read it because I don’t know the required language.

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What is this, and how might it be related to f57v?
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Similar in the sense it has a "start" position and multiple concentric circles.

RE: Something similar to f57v. - DG97EEB - 08-08-2026

Or this one 

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Now imagine faces in the middle

RE: Something similar to f57v. - ololololo - 09-08-2026

Very interesting example!
I’ll jump ahead a bit: if this is a calendar, then it’s kind of strange, and it has too few words. Perhaps it’s an encryption disk styled to look like a calendar, or a very unusual calendar.

RE: Something similar to f57v. - eggyk - 09-08-2026

(09-08-2026, 12:08 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Very interesting example!
I’ll jump ahead a bit: if this is a calendar, then it’s kind of strange, and it has too few words. Perhaps it’s an encryption disk styled to look like a calendar, or a very unusual calendar.

That depends on your definition of "calendar". Calendars aren't always list styles like the ones you pin up on the wall today to remember a date. There are many types of "calendar" for lots of purposes, in the form of grid tables and circular diagrams. They used similar diagrams for astrology, or for calculating easter etc.

Circular diagams, including those with concentric circles, are unbelieveably common to find. Like these from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.:
       
   

So in my opinion, a digram containing concentric circles is not not particularly related to VMS You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. on its own. They are quite common. 

Circular digrams with 4 people in the center circle is a different story, though.

RE: Something similar to f57v. - ololololo - 09-08-2026

(09-08-2026, 12:42 PM)eggyk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.That depends on your definition of "calendar".
Days. Months.
That sounds strange, as if I’m surprised that calendars come in this kind of form.
I mean, if You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is a calendar, then this is a very strange depiction of it. Of course, there are letters individually, and in some cases you can assume they represent the days of the week, but overall, it’s all quite incomprehensible.

RE: Something similar to f57v. - eggyk - 09-08-2026

(09-08-2026, 12:48 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(09-08-2026, 12:42 PM)eggyk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.That depends on your definition of "calendar".
Days. Months.
That sounds strange, as if I’m surprised that calendars come in this kind of form.
I mean, if You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is a calendar, then this is a very strange depiction of it. Of course, there are letters individually, and in some cases you can assume they represent the days of the week, but overall, it’s all quite incomprehensible.

I understand that, but "days and months" isn't a form, it's the content. Those days and months can be displayed in many ways, with more and less words than a "normal" calendar.

Here are two that i've drawn in paint. Both are "Calendars". They use different amounts of text, and attempt to explain different things.