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Double language in ancient manuscripts - BessAgritianin - 07-02-2025
Is there someone, who had investigated in which scripts of the middle ages (except of Shakespeare's) there is double language with reason hidden behind it.
I have some examples, that VM is one with such double language.
I will not go in some of my translations, which are ignored in general, but provide an obvious example from Q8f66r.
The picture represents a sick man and there is an explanation how to heal him.
Trying to read it however- in German it was something concerning with honey. In Czech it was to put a part (del) on each... It is a simple, simple case, where nobody can translate it- although it is in Latin writing!
Can you imagine that the whole text is written in this style?
Can you imagine that all the naked women- all have another meaning and are not bathing beauties only?
I am persuaded, that we deal with conscious misleading double language above the coding with different alphabets.
What are your thoughts about it.
RE: Double language in ancient manuscripts - tavie - 07-02-2025
I think we have seen on this forum one or two manuscripts that contained some sections in Latin and some in the vernacular. But I don't know about encrypted ones designed to increase confusion.
What I do know is that needing multiple languages to keep a system going has been a feature of other wrong Voynich solutions. It's You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
All wrong systems only work when targeting isolated words. They break down when generalized to full lines, paragraphs, pages. The solver then has to add more and more flexibility into the system. This comes at the cost of intelligibility to even the authorised reader and makes little sense from the point of view of the author. And even then it still does not result in meaningful, coherent syntax.
So some solvers (e.g. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) claim there are multiple languages. This gives them more words to choose from to try to torture out some recognizable meaning, like using a bigger net in the hope of finding a tiny fish. Others abdicate responsibility and claim that there must be a way for it to make sense but that an expert in the language is needed to do the work. But it's all the same: the system fails, and they are trying to find ways to prop it up rather than asking themselves the key question: could I be wrong?
RE: Double language in ancient manuscripts - dashstofsk - 07-02-2025
(07-02-2025, 06:09 AM)BessAgritianin Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.an obvious example from Q8f66r.
The picture represents a sick man and there is an explanation how to heal him.
Trying to read it however- in German it was something concerning with honey. In Czech it was to put a part (del) on each... It is a simple, simple case, where nobody can translate it- although it is in Latin writing!
The 'r den mv0 del' words in 66r appear to have been written in a different pen to the writing in the rest of the page. Moreover the top letter ( looks like an 'r' or 'y' ) seems to be the same as the first letter of the text in 116v. The letters 'm' also show a resemblance on both pages. It suggests that these texts were originally not part of the manuscript but were added later, and together. Also, strangely, both are accompanied by a reclining figure.
RE: Double language in ancient manuscripts - BessAgritianin - 07-02-2025
Maybe I did not express myself quite well.
For multiple languages- surely there are multiple languages in the manuscript- I can tell you for 4. And the people who suggest that there are multiple languages are not wrong.
My idea is more like that the script is like the Aesop fables- the script is talking about something , but it is true for another thing.
There is a frog or a naked woman, but it represents completely something else.
The herbs are talking from themselves... They use some similarities with the world of the animals and so on and so on.
For this type of double-language experience I ask.
Enjoy
RE: Double language in ancient manuscripts - dashstofsk - 08-02-2025
(07-02-2025, 05:46 PM)BessAgritianin Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.surely there are multiple languages in the manuscript
Really? You need to explain how you have come to that conclusion.
RE: Double language in ancient manuscripts - BessAgritianin - 09-02-2025
(08-02-2025, 11:28 AM)dashstofsk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(07-02-2025, 05:46 PM)BessAgritianin Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.surely there are multiple languages in the manuscript
Really? You need to explain how you have come to that conclusion.
By translating certain passages.
Note: Not the whole text, but I could translate certain passages- this is different from stating I know it all.
First on 116v one really recognizes German and Czech (old Moravian, or Bohemian)- two languages.
Then on f57v- Aquarius, the star names are Arabic- third Language-Actually I think from there some people have decided that the script is in Arabic, or Turkish...
There is a forth language too- you may bet which it is.
If I decide to publish from the first foil the translation- will be clear which it is.
Do not ask me why I do not publish my other translations- it is because they are not completed. As a cat I understand here and there, but not the whole sense of the wise man. If I publish it - you can imagine what criticism will denigrate me. I will have more troubles, that fun.
Enjoy
RE: Double language in ancient manuscripts - Ruby Novacna - 09-02-2025
(09-02-2025, 04:33 AM)BessAgritianin Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Do not ask me why I do not publish my other translations...
Bess, were you the one who published the translation of the first page on Klaus' blog in 2017?
RE: Double language in ancient manuscripts - Ruby Novacna - 09-02-2025
I found a translation from 2017, is it yours?
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RE: Double language in ancient manuscripts - BessAgritianin - 10-02-2025
(09-02-2025, 02:44 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I am not sure, for whom you are speaking. Is this Klaus, who is dealing with deciphering from Germany?(09-02-2025, 04:33 AM)BessAgritianin Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Do not ask me why I do not publish my other translations...
Bess, were you the one who published the translation of the first page on Klaus' blog in 2017?
If he- yes, there I published something from my first translations.
br: Vessy
RE: Double language in ancient manuscripts - BessAgritianin - 10-02-2025
Back to the double language of Voynich Manuscript.
I think there is a powerful Alchemy all over the document. In the plants- the roots are some symbols, in cosmology- too....
This Alchemy is unique, because does not comply with the known symbolism for alchemy of middle ages.