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Anyone seen this proposed solution yet? More Hebrew... - LisaFaginDavis - 16-06-2020
This was just published last week by Rainer Hannig...has anyone seen it yet? Another Hebrew claim:
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Still making my way through the German, so can't comment yet.
- Lisa
RE: Anyone seen this proposed solution yet? More Hebrew... - LisaFaginDavis - 16-06-2020
A few thoughts after a quick review:
1) he distinguishes six, rather than four, gallows, distinguishing the variants of EVA-p and EVA-f in which the cross-stroke ends with a slight curl. Linguists: what do you make of that, in terms of frequency and word-position?
2) he then interprets bench-gallows as the Hebrew letters that take on a hard vocalization when a dot is added.
3) he mentions the directional problem only in a footnote without truly addressing why Voynichese, if it represents phonemic Hebrew, is written from left to right.
4) he identifies EVA-o at the beginning of a word as they Hebrew prefix "ha", which means "the." Presumably, then, any word that begins with EVA-o is a noun. To the linguists out there...any thoughts on that interpretation?
5) not clear what he does with plain benches...
RE: Anyone seen this proposed solution yet? More Hebrew... - bi3mw - 16-06-2020
After all, you can't blame Hannig for "bending" his results until he gets meaningful text. He clearly points out where there are gaps.
RE: Anyone seen this proposed solution yet? More Hebrew... - LisaFaginDavis - 16-06-2020
He identifies Language A as "definitely Hebrew" but Language B as only "probably" Hebrew
RE: Anyone seen this proposed solution yet? More Hebrew... - LisaFaginDavis - 16-06-2020
And what does he mean by דּ and גּ? Do daled and gimel ever actually get a dot? Not in Modern Hebrew, certainly.
(answer: apparently yes, in ancient Hebrew traditions)
RE: Anyone seen this proposed solution yet? More Hebrew... - Emma May Smith - 16-06-2020
(16-06-2020, 07:04 PM)LisaFaginDavis Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
4) he identifies EVA-o at the beginning of a word as they Hebrew prefix "ha", which means "the." Presumably, then, any word that begins with EVA-o is a noun. To the linguists out there...any thoughts on that interpretation?
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The possibility that prefixed [qo] transliterates to /ha/ for Hebrew "the" has been explored. Marco and I have discussed it, and it makes some sense. For example, multiple sequential words in Hebrew can start with /ha/, which mirrors the fact that multiple words beginning [qo] in a sequence. Also, there's a strong suspicion (and a little evidence) that [o] is a vowel. And [q] as /h/ is an interesting idea due to its strict position rules.
RE: Anyone seen this proposed solution yet? More Hebrew... - Torsten - 16-06-2020
(16-06-2020, 07:40 PM)LisaFaginDavis Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And what does he mean by דּ and גּ? Do daled and gimel ever actually get a dot? Not in Modern Hebrew, certainly.
In Hebrew, vowels can appear as dots (see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.).
RE: Anyone seen this proposed solution yet? More Hebrew... - LisaFaginDavis - 16-06-2020
Yes, of course, but I was referring to his use of the Dagesh to transform letters (e.g. pey/fey, shin/sin). But the real question is whether there are six gallows or four...he distinguishes six, including EVA-p and EVA-f with a slight curl at the end of the crossbar. I'm curious what you all think of that, in terms of frequency and word-placement.
RE: Anyone seen this proposed solution yet? More Hebrew... - LisaFaginDavis - 16-06-2020
Last comment, and then I'll stop! He interprets several EVA substitutions as actually being phonetically correct (just by co-incidence?), like EVA-k and EVA-t (p. 12).
RE: Anyone seen this proposed solution yet? More Hebrew... - Koen G - 16-06-2020
(16-06-2020, 09:01 PM)LisaFaginDavis Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Last comment, and then I'll stop! He interprets several EVA substitutions as actually being phonetically correct (just by co-incidence?), like EVA-k and EVA-t (p. 12).
I'm in no position to comment since I know nothing about Hebrew. But this has got to be at least like an orange flag.