(24-02-2026, 01:10 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.By accident he gets caught red-handed.
He would easily get away with it, claiming that the spirit of Moses was speaking though him
That is in fact a basic tenet of Espiritismo ("Spiritism") or Kardecismo, a major Brazilian religion. It states that the spirits of the deceased can be summoned by "medium" at seances, can be "channeled" by particularly capable mediums to You are not allowed to view links.
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Quote:and there is nothing in the text that Moses wouldn't say
But the Book of Enoch is not like that. It tells tons of things about the Heavens that not even Moses would know, and kinda contradicts Genesis in some points. I can imagine that many Jews would have been reluctant to accept it as Scripture, even a few centuries BCE.
All the best, --stolfi
(26-02-2026, 02:37 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (24-02-2026, 01:10 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.By accident he gets caught red-handed.
He would easily get away with it, claiming that the spirit of Moses was speaking though him
That is in fact a basic tenet of Espiritismo ("Spiritism") or Kardecismo, a major Brazilian religion. It states that the spirits of the deceased can be summoned by "medium" at seances, can be "channeled" by particularly capable mediums to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
Quote:and there is nothing in the text that Moses wouldn't say
But the Book of Enoch is not like that. It tells tons of things about the Heavens that not even Moses would know, and kinda contradicts Genesis in some points. I can imagine that many Jews would have been reluctant to accept it as Scripture, even a few centuries BCE.
All the best, --stolfi
If I can convince others that the VMS are 1 and 2 Enoch and the date of the VMS is valid, then the author must have had the books of Enoch available in the 15th century.
(26-02-2026, 02:55 PM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If I can convince others that the VMS are 1 and 2 Enoch and the date of the VMS is valid, then the author must have had the books of Enoch available in the 15th century.
When we say that a book was "lost" in some epoch, what we mean is that all the [European] scholars at that time who mentioned that book in their surviving writings stated that they had never seen a copy and
did not know whether any copy existed.
So copies of a "lost" book may have in fact have existed, just were just not available to the broad scholar community for one reason or another. I gather that several books that were thought to have been lost since the Middle Ages were discovered in the past century, sitting in libraries in Europe itself.
So it is not impossible that the VMS Author had a copy of the Book of Enoch ultimately derived from a surviving Jewish copy, or from the Ethiopian version -- and just did not mention that to other scholars who would have been interested in it.
All the best, --stolfi.
Descriptions of the cardinal points, winds, and other parts of the functioning of the mechanical and spiritual parts of the world, which the Book of Enoch describes and is depicted in VMS. Interestingly, I discovered the Tetragrammaton in VMS today (I'm probably not the first). VMS_f67v2
I have prepared a complete passage from the Voynich manuscript, which corresponds without exception to the mentioned chapter of the First Book of Enoch.
(04-03-2026, 02:20 PM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I have prepared a complete passage from the Voynich manuscript, which corresponds without exception to the mentioned chapter of the First Book of Enoch.
With all due respect, you cannot possibly say "without exception" when interpreting the imagery in such an arbitrary way.
Just to show you how you can do this, i'll show you a different "interpretation" of You are not allowed to view links.
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Do you see the issue here? It would be better to focus on specific, well reasoned examples. For example, the one on the rosette pages that you mentioned, with two streams being split into 4 parts while overlooked by many bright angels (page 15 of your original pdf). That was an attempt at matching the text in a passage to a coherent diagram, while these plant examples are clutching at any possible similarity to any available metaphor.
(04-03-2026, 03:27 PM)eggyk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Do you see the issue here? It would be better to focus on specific, well reasoned examples. For example, the one on the rosette pages that you mentioned, with two streams being split into 4 parts while overlooked by many bright angels (page 15 of your original pdf). That was an attempt at matching the text in a passage to a coherent diagram, while these plant examples are clutching at any possible similarity to any available metaphor.
Thank you very much for your answer and I am glad that someone is trying to apply the theory and methodology that I am trying to develop. You did it very well. But you have to consider the transparency of the folios. The way you applied it could be, but you would have already encountered a problem with the following and previous folio. The text must strictly follow. Furthermore, if the sinners were led underground, the stem would be brown or red. Furthermore, the earth is described in Enoch as flat, not spherical. The firmament is spherical. It has another layer that I check. In this way, I found out that behind the folio You are not allowed to view links.
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In support of my hypothesis that VMS is ENOCH and the author of VMS may have had access to the Ethiopic version, which was supposedly not generally available in the 15th century. I am attaching images from the Ethiopic manuscript and I see a certain similarity here.
(07-03-2026, 08:28 AM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In support of my hypothesis that VMS is ENOCH and the author of VMS may have had access to the Ethiopic version, which was supposedly not generally available in the 15th century. I am attaching images from the Ethiopic manuscript and I see a certain similarity here.
I frankly cannot see any.