30-10-2025, 06:42 PM
Hi Sivbugge,
I do think the theme might be close, and it is possible the figure is an infant male. However I have some issues.
On the Characters, Mary + Jesus.
I looked into things a little extra after posting and taking into account certain points/criticisms. What I found was that in no cases that I could find does Mary hold the ring (if we are to assume blue = Mary), though when the ring is replaced with a fruit in the same depictions of a mystic marriage then actually 2 of the 3 I found do have Mary holding and passing on the fruit, but the ring issue plus the fact we have another lady on the same page higher up with blue fabric over her hair makes me think "blue headwear = Mary" is probably not a thing here, amongst other issues.
So what about Jesus + another lady? An issue is that a detail of the figure is a fabric hair cover. I couldn't really find any examples of the infant Jesus being depicted with anything like this. So I'm leaning towards probably not Jesus, at least not a normal depiction (same for Mary).
An image I found which I thought might be comparable shows what might be took as an infant male (if it were done in a "Voynich-way") but it's an adult female. What we might be seeing is Hierarchical proportion (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) in both cases, and it is not that one is young and the other old, but one is seen as much more important/powerful etc.
I still think the theme could be close.. but maybe as with most Voynich images, annoyingly, and sometimes (it feels) almost purposefully.. out of reach. As you point out though, the lack of red lips/cheeks etc might make the image more likely to be male than female.
Funnily enough, its another Catherine.. this time "of Cleaves" (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
There is a Youtube video by The Morgan Library and Museum on the image here You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
I stay clear of possible readings of Voynich Text as there's only a small number of texts from the time I could half-read, even if they are entirely readable and not "Voynichese"
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I do think the theme might be close, and it is possible the figure is an infant male. However I have some issues.
On the Characters, Mary + Jesus.
I looked into things a little extra after posting and taking into account certain points/criticisms. What I found was that in no cases that I could find does Mary hold the ring (if we are to assume blue = Mary), though when the ring is replaced with a fruit in the same depictions of a mystic marriage then actually 2 of the 3 I found do have Mary holding and passing on the fruit, but the ring issue plus the fact we have another lady on the same page higher up with blue fabric over her hair makes me think "blue headwear = Mary" is probably not a thing here, amongst other issues.
So what about Jesus + another lady? An issue is that a detail of the figure is a fabric hair cover. I couldn't really find any examples of the infant Jesus being depicted with anything like this. So I'm leaning towards probably not Jesus, at least not a normal depiction (same for Mary).
An image I found which I thought might be comparable shows what might be took as an infant male (if it were done in a "Voynich-way") but it's an adult female. What we might be seeing is Hierarchical proportion (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) in both cases, and it is not that one is young and the other old, but one is seen as much more important/powerful etc.
I still think the theme could be close.. but maybe as with most Voynich images, annoyingly, and sometimes (it feels) almost purposefully.. out of reach. As you point out though, the lack of red lips/cheeks etc might make the image more likely to be male than female.
Funnily enough, its another Catherine.. this time "of Cleaves" (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
There is a Youtube video by The Morgan Library and Museum on the image here You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
I stay clear of possible readings of Voynich Text as there's only a small number of texts from the time I could half-read, even if they are entirely readable and not "Voynichese"
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