(01-06-2025, 07:13 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.and searches for words sharing the same root, the most common results are ‘X-iin’ or ‘X-in’
It follows because
m and
r favour coming after
o or
a , and
iin and
in almost always come after
a . The same is true also for words ending in
al . The final character can be replaced with
iin and
in to make words that are frequent.
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(01-06-2025, 07:13 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.EVA_Q13
qokam 5 : qokain 162 , qokal 104 , qokaiin 87
dam 4 : daiin 76 , dar 57 , dal 51
am 3 : aiin 24 , ar 15 , al 14
ram 3 : raiin 12 , rain 8 , ral 7
lom 3 : lol 17 , lor 10 , lo 5
Also I cannot see much of an abbreviation here. If you were to count how many strokes of the pen have been saved then it would seem not to be much. If the authors really were into abbreviating then there would be more evidence of it throughout the manuscript. Especially in the long text sections of q13 and q20 where the authors had the ordeal of having to write so much.
It’s probably worth remembering that the goal of abbreviation isn’t necessarily speeding up the writing process by reducing the number of strokes: it could simply be shortening words so that more text could fit in a limited space. This sometimes caused abbreviations to cluster near the end of lines.
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For instance, the end-of-line abbreviated “formam” in Vat.Lat.410 originated from rotating the final ‘m’ by 90 degrees (though here the shape has evolved into something looking like 3), so that vertical space is used instead of horizontal space. The difference in horizontal space is minimal, but it was enough for this scribe to prefer the abbreviated form at the end of lines.
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(01-06-2025, 07:13 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.is similar to the downward stroke turning the Latin letter ‘r’ into an abbreviation for ‘ris’.
But after the loop the downward stroke most often goes toward the right: You are not allowed to view links.
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The arc ending
g and
m is more similar to the truncation mostly found after d in -dum abbreviations: You are not allowed to view links.
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runs are cheap, i did a run with replacing any vord final "m" with "aiin"
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oops. should have been "iin" instead of "aiin".
new run
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I think we are at a point where we really need the quality measure mentioned by Rafal. At the moment I cannot think of any simple qualitative way of determining if replacing 'm' is making the grammars better or worse. A quantitative measure could probably help.
(01-06-2025, 06:24 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think we are at a point where we really need the quality measure mentioned by Rafal. At the moment I cannot think of any simple qualitative way of determining if replacing 'm' is making the grammars better or worse. A quantitative measure could probably help.
As far as I remember, Mauro presented a universal scoring function for grammars a while ago. It was based on the total size of the grammar and the text itself as expressed using the grammar. I'm not sure if it applies here or not, maybe Mauro can comment.
(03-06-2025, 01:09 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (01-06-2025, 06:24 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think we are at a point where we really need the quality measure mentioned by Rafal. At the moment I cannot think of any simple qualitative way of determining if replacing 'm' is making the grammars better or worse. A quantitative measure could probably help.
As far as I remember, Mauro presented a universal scoring function for grammars a while ago. It was based on the total size of the grammar and the text itself as expressed using the grammar. I'm not sure if it applies here or not, maybe Mauro can comment.
I did an attempt of a score function,
its bad news. It looks like voynich is more like random than like genesis.
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I am not happy yet about the score function, and I still havent started using the cleaned version of the transliteration file, but it doesnt look promising.