The Voynich Ninja

If you finish it (even partly) before 4 August, I am sure that there will be an audience for it...

(22-04-2025, 06:36 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Anyway, these kind of illustrate my point. There is a clear difference in context between EVA o and a. These contexts roughly correspond to one of the two forms. So even when many utterances are imperfect, we still end up assigning them to different characters.

In the VM, there is a clear difference between a and o, although some letterforms a and o are not that perfect, however since there are no diacritic markers to differentiate short and long vowels, the pronunciation might be different, because the short vowels are often pronounced as semivowels, or they are not written, which is often the case in the VM.
Phonetically, there is a lot of confusion as far as the pronunciation of a and o is concerned. In some Slavic languages, o and e are often pronounced as a. This form of sound change is called akanje. That does not mean that there are no sounds o or e in those dialect, but rather, that there is greater variety of spelling. Similar sound change is in some words causing the letter o to be pronounced as u. This is called ukanje.
One needs to know the language to adjust phonetic Voynich writing to a written medieval form.
By the way, the Latin letterforms u and w are not yet recognized as separate VM glyphs.

are you trying to suggest VM is Slavic?

If the language is not Latin, nor German, would not Slavic be the most logical assumption, since Slovenian was spoken in the Middle Ages in entire Carinthia, Carniola, Styria, Istria, parts of Tyrol, and Veneto and Friuli region of Northern Italy.

The most logical assumption, given all the available data is that is it not a language.. at least not one we know.

(25-04-2025, 11:09 PM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The most logical assumption, given all the available data is that is it not a language.. at least not one we know.

It is a language (even containing 4 languages) and it hides a lot of miraculous secrets.
Assuming a priori that the VM is a hoax or non-linguistic in nature impedes scholarly inquiry into its mysteries.

br: Vessy

(25-04-2025, 10:46 PM)cvetkakocj@rogers.com Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If the language is not Latin, nor German, would not Slavic be the most logical assumption, since Slovenian was spoken in the Middle Ages in entire Carinthia, Carniola, Styria, Istria, parts of Tyrol, and Veneto and Friuli region of Northern Italy.

For the cipher language to be of Slavic origin, it has to include some distinctive features.
For example, the Slavic prefix "po" has to be taken into account. 
One simple encoding option is that "po" could possibly be the ligature qo.

(25-04-2025, 11:09 PM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The most logical assumption, given all the available data is that is it not a language.. at least not one we know.

It is not enough to know data, one needs to know grammar of other languages.

The data contradicts what you (both) claim.
If new people here see the data and decide to follow another road that's cool, but they should be honest with. The data does not support your ideas.

Vessy, I'm a million miles from aligning with your ideas overall, but if you look at things I have put out recently they could not be more against "hoax" etc which I follow up in my replies. If this were a meaning/no-meaning argument, I would be very firmly on both your guys side.

(26-04-2025, 07:45 AM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.One simple encoding option is that "po" could possibly be the ligature qo.

You are right, EVA qo is actually po, which was a most common prefix, which was also used to form a perfective verbs. Besides that, it can also be part of the word, or preposition po, if written separately. Because the Voynich words are short, po still very seldom occurs in the middle of the word, except when they are prefixed. This is one distinguishing similarity with Slavic language.