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Something like this:

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I still read it as 'sond' which to me looks like a plausible 'Germanic - dialect' word for Sun. 
However, the dialect does not seem to exist...

Another interesting thing in the first image I showed is the ^ shapes

1. Could be the glyph is actually "r" but one of these strange "r" shapes seen in the next "word", the starting line is a short | when it should be \. "er" would be extremely rare though, most on Voynichese if you search for "er" are quite clearly "es"
   
2. Might be too small to be deliberate, maybe they just meant to add a kick to the "k" leg
   
3. This one seems clear enough, and doesn't look like the Voynich "v", though obviously writing small/in circles etc etc
   

  

Thanks for the links too, I'll have a good look when I get chance

The other thread was very interesting. I noted Helmut stated "I think it is 'cleartext' and I read tuo a spica (Spica, brightest star in constellation Virgo)".

It was from ChatGPT, so I'm just blindly repeating its info.. but apparently an "aleph" would commonly be used to denote the brightest star with following letters denoting the next brightest and so-on.

In current practice that's alpha, as in alpha Centauri. I can't find anything about aleph doing the same.

It is most likely making things up.. I was actually more interested in the "my" looking ligature but it got a bit hung up on the "aleph" looking thing

Some of the stuff it said..

Hebrew Aleph (א) was sometimes used to denote the first star in a constellation (following the Arabic tradition where stars were often labelled with letters of the alphabet).

[*]If this is part of a star catalog or an astronomical manuscript, Hebrew letters (like Aleph, Bet, Gimel) were sometimes used to label stars, following the tradition of Arabic-to-Latin transliterations.
[*]Possible Interpretation: This might denote the first star in a constellation, following the Arabic-Hebrew-Latin labelling system.
[*]Hebrew letters were used in medieval manuscripts to denote star magnitudes or to label stars within constellations (following Arabic traditions).
[*]Aleph often denoted the first star or brightest star in a constellation.
[*]Aleph (א) = First star
[*]Bet (ב) or Gimel (ג) = Second/Third star
[*]Other letters (e.g., Mem, Shin, Tav) could correspond to subsequent stars or celestial markers.

Looking at my questions I did mention stars and possible "aleph" likeness, so it may just be connecting dots and coming up with something that fits.

I think I've found the right prop that would be familiar to most people 

This is the same image side by side with a USB A plug and socket to scale. I've tried to match the scale using the visible edges of the hardcover and known size of the manuscript.

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The inscriptions we are discussing here are tiny. The text size is probably at the lowest possible range attainable with a quill pen. All I can see are very sloppy Voynichese characters squeezed into half the space they would normally occupy.

That's a very good point. When I saw the MS, I was already surprised by how small the writing in the paragraphs is for some scribes. This text is still significantly smaller.

Similarly tiny writing is found in the marginalia like "der mus del", by the way. I just couldn't believe how small it was.

This goes against some of the things people believe about the VM makers. They did have good eyesight and were decent with a pen.

This is from the supposed sale of the manuscript to Rudolf.