The Voynich Ninja

(17-10-2024, 10:58 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I have a complete set of files that could be used to set up a next generation voynichese.com, but I don't know how to do it.

That would be very interesting! Does anyone know if the creator of Voynichese.com is still around and if they might be interested in updating the site?

(I don't know how much work this would be. Is it a matter of just changing the text data underlying the website, or would it be several days of editing stuff?)

(17-10-2024, 10:58 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Indeed, @famerjohn's web site is already a big step forward, but I am not aware that his data is also available in batch form. (If would be great if it were).

@famerjohn's web site stores data in XML files:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
etc.

(17-10-2024, 10:28 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The browser is not running on Firefox anymore it seems. 

For me it works ok both from Win and non-win, from mobile and non-mobile

(17-10-2024, 10:58 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Indeed, @famerjohn's web site is already a big step forward, but I am not aware that his data is also available in batch form. (If would be great if it were).

The reason I'm not providing transliteration in simple text format (apart from the main one - I'm too greedy  ) is that the transliteration is being updated constantly, and providing some sort of text file may give wrong impression of completed work.

(17-10-2024, 11:05 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.That would be very interesting! Does anyone know if the creator of Voynichese.com is still around and if they might be interested in updating the site?

I tried to contact the author (no much info about him available), but failed and started my own project.

(17-10-2024, 11:11 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.@famerjohn's web site stores data in XML files:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
etc.

Yes, just as I took all necessary files from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. anyone can use my files from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. The latest version has new line/paragraph markers, so can be transformed relatively easily

(17-10-2024, 12:00 PM)farmerjohn Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(17-10-2024, 10:28 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The browser is not running on Firefox anymore it seems. 

For me it works ok both from Win and non-win, from mobile and non-mobile

This was causing the page to stop loading:
Uncaught DOMException: CSSStyleSheet.insertRule: Not allowed to access cross-origin stylesheet
    <anonymous> You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
    createStyles You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
    createHighlights You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
    <anonymous> You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

I disabled the Dark Reader extension for your website and now it loads correctly. Good to know.

There is only one error on the console and it doesn't seem to break anything:
Uncaught TypeError: list is undefined
    <anonymous> You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

A little mistake on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (should be "ot") :
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(17-10-2024, 01:44 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This was causing the page to stop loading:
Uncaught DOMException: CSSStyleSheet.insertRule: Not allowed to access cross-origin stylesheet
    <anonymous> You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
    createStyles You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
    createHighlights You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
    <anonymous> You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

I disabled the Dark Reader extension for your website and now it loads correctly. Good to know.

There is only one error on the console and it doesn't seem to break anything:
Uncaught TypeError: list is undefined
    <anonymous> You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

A little mistake on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (should be "ot") :
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

Many thanks, nablator.
Have fixed extension issue, hope everything works well now.

Would it be a lot of work to make a version of this reader available with lower quality/size images? Now when I click a page, it needs to load for quite a some time, and it doesn't show the hits on the thumbnails like voynichese.com does.

It would be cool if we had something that is part of Voynich Ninja, obviously not everyone stops by here before starting work on a project but just an agreed upon best transcription available, maybe just up the top by the folio browser link 

The dream would be a version of the Voynichese website with this transcription on and an option to submit possible errors. If there is a v2 planned with Rene's work on that would be awesome

For example - Right click text > Type "Soiin" or whatever you think it may be

What I can make available, that would be input to an updated version of voynichese.com, are:

1) the new Beinecke scans all scaled down to a height of 1500 pixels, which is equivalent to what voynichese does with the old scans. Exception: the rosettes page is scaled down to 3000, because the actual page is also almost twice as high. Note that voynichese does not include this page. These images could also be used by @farmerjohn in case he considers Koen's request. Of course, it is not particularly difficult to create these. I do have all the scale factors from original to scaled down images, also not very difficult to create, of course

2) updated and completed transliteration data. This is the RF1 file expressed in Basic Eva. The source data is in the STA1 alphabet, so it would be possible (not too difficult) to translate this (ad hoc, online) to any existing alphabet. Even any user's own alphabet, as long as he/she presents a single translation table from STA1 to his/her alphabet. Many-to-one mappings are allowed.

3) the coordinate boxes for all words in the RF1 file. These are 'slanted' boxes, meaning that they are rotated along the direction of writing. They contain six values instead of the four of voynchese.com. They are not as accurate as the ones on voynichese, but serve the purpose of highlighting each word.

These last data are in csv files, so would require a simple script to convert to XML files.
The logic of voynichese.com would require an update to convert the box coordinates. This should be quite straightforward.
If the STA-to-any-alphabet translation is used, further additional logic would be needed for the user interaction, and the invocation of "bitrans" to do the translation.

I can provide more details if someone if feeling up to doing this (especially 'Job' of course).

EDIT: this is how the slanted text boxes are defined:
[attachment=9323]

(17-10-2024, 12:00 PM)farmerjohn Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The reason I'm not providing transliteration in simple text format (apart from the main one - I'm too greedy  ) is that the transliteration is being updated constantly, and providing some sort of text file may give wrong impression of completed work.

That is perfectly fine of course!

I can offer the files I mentined above, as these represent sort of a stable first iteration. It is equally part of ongoing work, but these files will not change. A new version may arise in the future, but this would have (apart from transliteration corrections) coordinates for each glyph. Note that this is not something coming very soon.

(17-10-2024, 04:23 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Would it be a lot of work to make a version of this reader available with lower quality/size images? Now when I click a page, it needs to load for quite a some time, and it doesn't show the hits on the thumbnails like voynichese.com does.

Compressing the images to the WEBP format instead of JPEG would make them much faster to load, without a visible loss in quality.

f113v.jpg is 2 MB You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
f113v.webp is 512 KB at 80% quality (good enough IMO: no visible change, even when zooming on individual pixels)